[Foundation-l] Dealing with interwiki disruption

[Gerard Meijssen]

Hoi,
Please consider that Milos is just one voice among many that feel a need for
a council that deals with the issues that are currently not getting the
attention that they  deserve. When some want an Arbcomm that override that
deals with cases that deal with individuals, others see a global arbcomm as
a body that ensures some harmonisation between the different projects. When
NPOV is no longer considered to be exactly that, how do we deal with this.
Do we want the board, the organisation to step in or will the projects deal
with such issues themselves ??

It is exactly because there is no vision what a council will be doing, that
it was proposed to trash out a proposal first. This still needs doing and
only then it will become relevant to support or oppose parts of what is
proposed or all that is proposed. In my opinion, what the council will in
reality do will be different from what we expect at this stage.
Thanks,
     GerardM

On Thu, May 8, 2008 at 2:10 PM, Aphaia <aphaia at gmail.com> wrote:

> IIRC, Milos, you would love to have the proposed Volunteer Council to
> have the role of SuperHyperArbcom. Then I think I have a good reason
> to oppose strongly your idea.
>
> On Thu, May 8, 2008 at 7:52 PM, Milos Rancic <millosh at gmail.com> wrote:
> > I am not talking about short-term blocks, I am talking about 6 months+
> blocks.
> > Also, I am not talking about this as a mandatory solution, but as an
> opt-in
> > solution. (Note that en.wp is not my home project, too.)
>
> > There are a couple of good reasons for that:
> >
> > - en.wp ArbCom has its own rules and I am sure that it isn't making
> mistakes
> > about long term blocks.
> >
> > - Long term blocks are reserved for very disruptive users. I really don't
> > think that someone who was so disruptive at en.wp -- would be more
> > constructive at some other project.
>
>
> I and Ray referred to the same person who was so trusted as to be
> promoted to sysop (and even b'crat) but once permanently blocked from
> English Wikipedia Arbcom?
>
> And re: English Wikiquote I sure she was, is and hopefully will be one
> of the best editors we've ever had.
>
> > - Small projects (not those maintained by stewards, but those which have
> a
> > community) usually suffer heavily by users already proved as disruptive
> at
> > en.wp. (This is especially true for non-English projects.) Usually, the
> same
> > user will be blocked at other wiki, but in a very painful process for
> that
> > community.
> >
> > - If Meta ArbCom becomes reality, I think that it should process all
> longer
> > blocks made by any other ArbCom and conclude are the reasons good enough
> for
> > long time block (which means that such user should get Wikimedia-wide
> block)
> > or a local ArbCom should consider decision once again.
> >
> > - It is also possible option that en.wp ArbCom gives a suggestion for
> longer
> > blocks: are they strictly en.wp related or a user is a threat to all WM
> > projects.
> >
> > With some discussion about this issue, I am sure that we would be able to
> find
> > a way how to deal better and faster with disruptive users.
> >
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