[Foundation-l] Allow new wikis in extinct languages?
Geoffrey Plourde
geo.plrd at yahoo.com
Sun Mar 30 07:24:16 UTC 2008
My mistake. Maybe we need a crash course in basic latin at wikiversity. :D
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From: Mark Williamson <node.ue at gmail.com>
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That's patently untrue, we do not have an "excellent" Latin WP. That's
why we have Latinitas templates - to label articles written in crappy
Latin. If that Wiki had been started and maintained by classics
professors rather than having many of its pages filled by pimply
teenagers who took a couple of semesters of Latin, I'm sure there
would be no need.
On 29/03/2008, Geoffrey Plourde <geo.plrd at yahoo.com> wrote:
> So? No one speaks latin as a native language, but we have an excellent latin WP. If worst comes to worst, Wikiversity will need to have crash courses in <language name here>
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> From: Mark Williamson <node.ue at gmail.com>
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> Sent: Saturday, March 29, 2008 11:45:35 PM
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> Umm... 100 people who learnt as much Hupa in a classroom as I have
> learnt O'odham would probably put together a Wiki in really crappy
> Hupa. That is the problem.
>
> Mark
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> On 29/03/2008, Geoffrey Plourde <geo.plrd at yahoo.com> wrote:
> > Why do we need natives? Just because someone natively speaks Chumash does not mean that there will be enough interest for a wiki. If enough people are willing to display an interest in Hupa, who are we to nitpick?
> >
> > Mark Williamson <node.ue at gmail.com> wrote: How about native - where applicable? I think it is a great
> >
> > requirement... except when it comes to languages with no native
> > speakers. Then we should require fluent speakers, not just interested
> > hobbyists who use a dictionary like Jose77.
> >
> > Mark
> >
> >
> > On 29/03/2008, Geoffrey Plourde wrote:
> > > Yes I agree strike native and lets go back to if enough people are interested.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
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> > > From: Marcus Buck
> >
> > > To: Wikimedia Foundation Mailing List
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> > > Sent: Saturday, March 29, 2008 4:47:52 PM
> > > Subject: Re: [Foundation-l] Allow new wikis in extinct languages?
> > >
> > > >
> > >
> > > > But that is my opinion. What do you think; should wikis be allowed in
> > > > every extinct language?
> > >
> > > In my opinion, Pathoschild is a bit unhonest here. As far as I know,
> > > nobody ever proposed to allow _every_ language. His post on this list is
> > > based on the discussion here:
> >
> > > .
> > >
> > > Somebody proposed a Wikipedia in Classical Greek a long time ago and the
> > > proposal was rejected based on the "Language proposal policy", which
> > > does not allow for projects in languages with no native speakers. But
> > > actually the word "native" was inserted by Pathoschild only in October
> > > 2007. At that time the proposal for a Classical Greek project was
> > > already running for 14 months.
> > >
> > > The current policy wouldn't allow for a Wikipedia in Latin nor for a
> > > Wikipedia in Esperanto. I think, this is proof, that the current policy
> > > is failing. If the UN (hypothetically) would adopt a new constructed
> > > language as new worldwide lingua franca, there would be no way no create
> > > a wikipedia in this world language under current policy until this
> > > language would develop a native community, which would take some decades
> > > at least. The policy fails.
> > >
> > > Get rid of the word "native" in the policy. Base decisions on the
> > > ability to build a viable and useful resource and not on physical
> > > features of the language.
> > > In my opinion Classical Greek can form a viable community and build a
> > > useful resource. Some of you may think "He only wants to push his pet
> > > language Greek!" No, I actually have nothing to do with Greek and I
> > > prefer spoken languages to scholarly languages. I only jumped into the
> > > discussion, cause I realized Greek was about to go being denied for
> > > reasons of policy-nitpicking only.
> > >
> > > Marcus Buck
> > > Slomox
> > >
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