[Foundation-l] Allow new wikis in extinct languages?

[Mark Williamson]

That's patently untrue, we do not have an "excellent" Latin WP. That's
why we have Latinitas templates - to label articles written in crappy
Latin. If that Wiki had been started and maintained by classics
professors rather than having many of its pages filled by pimply
teenagers who took a couple of semesters of Latin, I'm sure there
would be no need.

On 29/03/2008, Geoffrey Plourde <geo.plrd at yahoo.com> wrote:
> So? No one speaks latin as a native language, but we have an excellent latin WP. If worst comes to worst, Wikiversity will need to have crash courses in <language name here>
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>  ----- Original Message ----
>  From: Mark Williamson <node.ue at gmail.com>
>  To: Wikimedia Foundation Mailing List <foundation-l at lists.wikimedia.org>
>  Sent: Saturday, March 29, 2008 11:45:35 PM
>  Subject: Re: [Foundation-l] Allow new wikis in extinct languages?
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>  Umm... 100 people who learnt as much Hupa in a classroom as I have
>  learnt O'odham would probably put together a Wiki in really crappy
>  Hupa. That is the problem.
>
>  Mark
>
>  On 29/03/2008, Geoffrey Plourde <geo.plrd at yahoo.com> wrote:
>  > Why do we need natives? Just because someone natively speaks Chumash does not mean that there will be enough interest for a wiki. If enough people are willing to display an interest in Hupa, who are we to nitpick?
>  >
>  >  Mark Williamson <node.ue at gmail.com> wrote:  How about native - where applicable? I think it is a great
>  >
>  > requirement... except when it comes to languages with no native
>  >  speakers. Then we should require fluent speakers, not just interested
>  >  hobbyists who use a dictionary like Jose77.
>  >
>  >  Mark
>  >
>  >
>  > On 29/03/2008, Geoffrey Plourde wrote:
>  >  > Yes I agree strike native and lets go back to if enough people are interested.
>  >  >
>  >  >
>  >  >
>  >  >
>  >  > ----- Original Message ----
>  >  > From: Marcus Buck
>  >
>  > > To: Wikimedia Foundation Mailing List
>  >
>  > > Sent: Saturday, March 29, 2008 4:47:52 PM
>  >  > Subject: Re: [Foundation-l] Allow new wikis in extinct languages?
>  >  >
>  >  > >
>  >  >
>  >  > > But that is my opinion. What do you think; should wikis be allowed in
>  >  > > every extinct language?
>  >  >
>  >  > In my opinion, Pathoschild is a bit unhonest here. As far as I know,
>  >  > nobody ever proposed to allow _every_ language. His post on this list is
>  >  > based on the discussion here:
>  >
>  > > .
>  >  >
>  >  > Somebody proposed a Wikipedia in Classical Greek a long time ago and the
>  >  > proposal was rejected based on the "Language proposal policy", which
>  >  > does not allow for projects in languages with no native speakers. But
>  >  > actually the word "native" was inserted by Pathoschild only in October
>  >  > 2007. At that time the proposal for a Classical Greek project was
>  >  > already running for 14 months.
>  >  >
>  >  > The current policy wouldn't allow for a Wikipedia in Latin nor for a
>  >  > Wikipedia in Esperanto. I think, this is proof, that the current policy
>  >  > is failing. If the UN (hypothetically) would adopt a new constructed
>  >  > language as new worldwide lingua franca, there would be no way no create
>  >  > a wikipedia in this world language under current policy until this
>  >  > language would develop a native community, which would take some decades
>  >  > at least. The policy fails.
>  >  >
>  >  > Get rid of the word "native" in the policy. Base decisions on the
>  >  > ability to build a viable and useful resource and not on physical
>  >  > features of the language.
>  >  > In my opinion Classical Greek can form a viable community and build a
>  >  > useful resource. Some of you may think "He only wants to push his pet
>  >  > language Greek!" No, I actually have nothing to do with Greek and I
>  >  > prefer spoken languages to scholarly languages. I only jumped into the
>  >  > discussion, cause I realized Greek was about to go being denied for
>  >  > reasons of policy-nitpicking only.
>  >  >
>  >  > Marcus Buck
>  >  > Slomox
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