[Foundation-l] Volunteer Council - A shot for a resolution

[Geoffrey Plourde]

Regardless of what the goals are, without editors it ain't going to happen.



----- Original Message ----
From: Gerard Meijssen <gerard.meijssen at gmail.com>
To: Wikimedia Foundation Mailing List <foundation-l at lists.wikimedia.org>
Sent: Monday, March 17, 2008 6:09:26 PM
Subject: Re: [Foundation-l] Volunteer Council - A shot for a resolution

Hoi,
Absolutely NOT. Please read the aims of the Wikimedia Foundation again. You
could not be more wrong.
Thanks,
    Gerard

On Tue, Mar 18, 2008 at 2:01 AM, Geoffrey Plourde <geo.plrd at yahoo.com>
wrote:

> It is meant to illustrate a point. The sole reason the Foundation exists
> is because of the editors that breathe life into it.
>
>
>
> ----- Original Message ----
> From: Gerard Meijssen <gerard.meijssen at gmail.com>
> To: Wikimedia Foundation Mailing List <foundation-l at lists.wikimedia.org>
> Sent: Sunday, March 16, 2008 11:52:35 PM
> Subject: Re: [Foundation-l] Volunteer Council - A shot for a resolution
>
> Hoi,
> So who is going to say that they "screwed up" and why will their arguments
> ring true? Given the large amount of freedom that the projects and their
> communities have, how much damage can the Foundation do?
>
> If you consider that it is only recent that we have a start of a
> professional organisation, it is as likely that the communities cannot
> keep
> up with the changes implemented for the better by the organisation. Given
> the sometimes not so great performance by the WMF in the past, and given
> the
> more apparent clarification of the roles between on the one hand the
> organisation and on the other the board, it will become increasingly
> difficult to blame the Foundation and not be seen as factional in the
> condemnation.
>
> PS an army without soldiers cannot fight? what army and if so what it the
> chain of command? It sounds more like a rabble to me. We are not fighting;
> we are writing free/open content a much more private occupation.
> Thanks,
>    GerardM
>
> On Sun, Mar 16, 2008 at 11:47 PM, Geoffrey Plourde <geo.plrd at yahoo.com>
> wrote:
>
> > The Board is accountable. If they really screwed up, you know what would
> > happen? Somebody would lead an exodus of most of the editors and start a
> new
> > Foundation. An army without soldiers can not fight.
> >
> >
> >
> > ----- Original Message ----
> > From: Gerard Meijssen <gerard.meijssen at gmail.com>
> > To: Wikimedia Foundation Mailing List <foundation-l at lists.wikimedia.org>
> > Sent: Sunday, March 16, 2008 7:10:02 AM
> > Subject: Re: [Foundation-l] Volunteer Council - A shot for a resolution
> >
> > Hoi,
> > When you want to change something, you may be of the opinion that some
> > things should be different. In the mean time it is existing board that
> has
> > to vote in the changes that you propose. In all the things that have
> been
> > said there is nothing that makes people accountable. The current board
> is
> > not accountable; we do not have a clue how well board members perform.
> It
> > is
> > only the executive director who is accountable.. accountable to the
> board.
> >
> > Because of your involvement it is acceptable/legitimate for you to
> propose
> > changes to the way the WMF operates. In the final analysis however it is
> > only the board that is in the position to act upon it.
> > Thanks,
> >    GerardM
> >
> > On Sun, Mar 16, 2008 at 2:04 PM, Milos Rancic <millosh at gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> > > On 3/15/08, Geoffrey Plourde <geo.plrd at yahoo.com> wrote:
> > > >  2) The Board is already accountable to the community, through the
> > > annual election.
> > >
> > > While we are moving toward this model, this is still a gray zone. Only
> > > Florence, Kat and Frieda are elected members of the Board. And (at
> > > least for me) only three of them have legitimacy to choose other
> > > members of the Board.
> > >
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