[Foundation-l] Wikimedia mouvement

[Gerard Meijssen]

Hoi,
So in essence you want to promote what we do, what we stand for. That is a
splendid idea. :) Particularly in the countries were we are not known, where
our notions are foreign, we need to explain our ideas about encyclopaedias,
knowledge,,, and particularly community. This is where marketing would make
a difference :)

There are many things that I think are good... I like for instance the blog
aggregator, the blog, both the Wikipedia Weekly and the Not the Wikipedia
Weekly., there is Wikizine ... I would not be surprised that similar things
happen in other projects.... I would love to see a mash up of all the good
ideas, all the good work ...

The question would be, how good a job do you want to see done ...

Thanks,
     GerardM

On Sun, Jun 8, 2008 at 11:25 PM, Florence Devouard <Anthere9 at yahoo.com>
wrote:

> Gerard Meijssen wrote:
> > Hoi,
> > One of the wiki things is that you do NOT have to have your house
> completely
> > in order, it is ok that you are working on it...
>
> Correct. But I am not suggesting a "wiki movement". I am suggesting that
> the organizations currently dedicated to support the wikimedia projects
> get a publicly visible site where they can explain what they are doing
> to help the wikimedia projects and where they can share practices and
> attract more good will and support.
>
>  We are clearly trying to do
> > our best and I expect that we will never find it good enough. When this
> > means that we should not reach out, when it means that we cannot be part
> of
> > the wiki movement, I would consider it a tragedy, a lost opportunity ..
> in
> > some way a failure.
>
> I did not call this "wiki movement". See the object of this message. It
> is explicitely called "wikimedia mo(typo)vement". Now, if the term
> "movement" is being a problem to you, we can call it "wikimedia network"
> or even "wikimedia organizations network".
>
>
> > When the idea is to improve our WMF communications ... sure ... who is
> > included ? what is the aim ?
>
> The idea I have in mind is not to improve WMF communications (whatever
> this might means). The idea is
> * to explain what we do and how we do it
> * to share ideas and practices amongst ourselves
> * to attract new volunteers
>
> ant
>
>
> > Thanks,
> >       GerardM
> >
> > On Sun, Jun 8, 2008 at 10:34 PM, Milos Rancic <millosh at gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> >> On Sun, Jun 8, 2008 at 10:06 PM, Gerard Meijssen
> >> <gerard.meijssen at gmail.com> wrote:
> >>> In the Wiki movement the Wikimedia Foundation, its projects, its
> chapters
> >>> are vitally important. When you want to call this a movement however,
> it
> >> is
> >>> equally important to reach out and recognise the part other
> organisations
> >>> and projects play.
> >>>
> >>> When you call it the "Wikimedia movement" and invoke trademark rules to
> >>> exclude, as a movement it will be limited. Its potential relevance
> >> limited.
> >>> It is for this reason that I suggest to be clearly inclusive or
> >> exclusive.
> >>> When we choose to be exclusive, there is still room for a wiki
> movement,
> >> it
> >>> saddens me that the "Wikimedia movement" will be as a consequence less
> >>> relevant in this wiki movement.
> >> I think that the situation is complex. We have a need to make wider
> >> movement, while we didn't solve problems in our house. So, maybe the
> >> time is to make something which wouldn't pretend to call itself as a
> >> "movement", but to make communication between different organized
> >> groups inside of Wikimedia better, as well as their presentation to
> >> outsiders. When we put it at the legs, we would be able to think about
> >> free knowledge movement.
> >>
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