[Foundation-l] Wikimedia mouvement

[effe iets anders]

I think that Wiki movement would definitely not be what I would expect
out of a movement like this, as personally I do not realy care *that*
much about Wiki. Wiki is a great tool, but not a goal. Free knowledge
is. Wikimedia covers both, Wiki does not.

However, I realize that this is more twittering about choise of words.
I think Gerard has a fair point somehow, and that partners in crime
might be stimulated by such a cooperation. However, it is the current
truth that these organizations are not a part of the organizational
structure. And I think that is what Florence wants to cover. And it is
definitely true that that organisational structure of Wikimedia should
get a better face to the outside world. What is Wikimedia, what does
it do etc, which has also been discussed on the chapters meeting in
Nijmegen some time ago.

This however does not exclude a closer cooperation with like minded
organizations, both on international and national level. I think that
setting up a platform would be nice, and would stimulate the setting
up of projects. This platform could be on an informal level, but maybe
even on a somewhat more formal level such a platform might be worth
while. I think that chapters, the foundation and those like minded
organisations, including for instance Creative Commons, Free Software
Foundation and some Wiki organizations which are working with free
licenses, should consider this, and think about a shared vision on the
future.

Best regards,

Lodewijk

2008/6/8 Gerard Meijssen <gerard.meijssen op gmail.com>:
> Hoi,
> In the Wiki movement the Wikimedia Foundation, its projects, its chapters
> are vitally important. When you want to call this a movement however, it is
> equally important to reach out and recognise the part other organisations
> and projects play.
>
> When you call it the "Wikimedia movement" and invoke trademark rules to
> exclude, as a movement it will be limited. Its potential relevance limited.
> It is for this reason that I suggest to be clearly inclusive or exclusive.
> When we choose to be exclusive, there is still room for a wiki movement, it
> saddens me that the "Wikimedia movement" will be as a consequence less
> relevant in this wiki movement.
> Thanks,
>      GerardM
>
> On Sun, Jun 8, 2008 at 9:51 PM, Florence Devouard <Anthere9 op yahoo.com>
> wrote:
>
>> Milos probably has the beginning of an answer in citing sources such as
>> Wikizine or the Wikipedia Weekly. Those would be totally interesting to
>> cite or refer to. There are other initiatives that would be nice to
>> mention as well.
>>
>> I'd say that this should probably not be the website of Wikieducator,
>> but there is probably nothing wrong in citing them or even writing a
>> page about them.
>>
>> A key word is probably "wikimedia". Wikimedia is a trademark, and those
>> who are allowed to use it are probably those who should be in charge of
>> this site. This include chapters and Foundation, but not wikieducator.
>>
>> Ant
>>
>> Gerard Meijssen wrote:
>> > Hoi,
>> > The notion that the movement consists only of the Foundation and its
>> > chapters is a bit thin. There are many other organisations and people
>> that I
>> > would consider part of this movement.. Wikieducator for instance is a
>> great
>> > example of this, they have a bigger potential to do good for the less and
>> > least resourced languages then any of the WMF chapters.
>> >
>> > So my question is, is this intended to be about WMF and its chapters or
>> can
>> > this be larger then that ?
>> > Thanks,
>> >      GerardM
>> >
>> > On Sun, Jun 8, 2008 at 6:57 PM, Florence Devouard <Anthere9 op yahoo.com>
>> > wrote:
>> >
>> >> I posted a proposition regarding the Wikimedia Mouvement here:
>> >> http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Talk:Www.wikimedia.org_template
>> >>
>> >> The general idea is to create a website which would report on our global
>> >> mouvement. Main benefits would be
>> >> * to present ourselves as a loose but nevertheless coordinated body of
>> >> some sort (public face)
>> >> * share practices and experiences between chapters and wmf
>> >>
>> >> Situation right now is not satisfactory and I believe it likely to
>> >> create either more tension or more separation in the future. Generally,
>> >> information regarding wikimedia mouvement is hosted on
>> >> * internalwiki (private wiki shared between some chapters members and
>> wmf),
>> >> * on meta (access to information is very confusing since it is mostly a
>> >> work-wiki and a wiki shared by many),
>> >> * on Foundationwiki (eg
>> >> http://wikimediafoundation.org/wiki/Press_room/Media_Contact_2008)
>> >> * on each association website (eg http://wikimedia.de/)
>> >>
>> >> Can we discuss that ? If you are supportive, please mention it on the
>> >> wiki page
>> >>
>> >> Thanks
>> >>
>> >> Ant
>> >>
>> >>
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