[Foundation-l] Board elections: Statistics

Sun Jun 8 13:46:25 UTC 2008

Finding the right message can take for ever if you don't know the
right way. I'll write a small tutorial on how to do that next week
(I'll be on a military exercise this week unfortunately), and then
you'll know how to do it. :-)

2008/6/8, Aphaia <aphaia at gmail.com>:
> On Sun, Jun 8, 2008 at 8:35 PM, Gerard Meijssen
> <gerard.meijssen at gmail.com> wrote:
>> Hoi,
>> Change your language in your user preferences to Japanese and Betawiki is
>> not that English anymore..
>> When you hit the "Translate" button that can be
>> found in the sidebar, you will go immediately to the Japanese translation
>> track.
>
> True and what is it relevant for me to find which media wiki message
> contains a particular message on a wiki? How many minites or hours
> should I afford? I think I know the better way to spend my time.
> Thanks.
>
>
>
> The Betawiki software itself has been locaised into Japanese..
>> Betawiki IS a real MediaWiki wiki so it gives you context. I fail to see
>> your point.
>>
>> The MediaWiki messages pop up from within the software.. The annotations
>> help understand the context. Without these annotations localisation is
>> indeed much more difficult and it is this what is offered in Betawiki
>> only.
>> Once the localisation is done, the message do become available everywhere,
>> another advantage that you have nowhere else..
>>
>> As all other projects, the localisation at Betawiki is done by well
>> meaning
>> volunteers. We are happy with the work that is done but this does not
>> imply
>> that it is as good as we would like to have it. To illustrate this point
>> look at the "group statistics" and you will notice how much work still
>> needs
>> to be done for a first time. You will notice how much work needs to be
>> done
>> for Japanese... When you state that the quality is not good enough for
>> Japanese, I will be the last to deny this. I will however be among the
>> people that will implore you to do the wiki thing and fix it.
>> Thanks,
>>      GerardM
>>
>>
>> http://translatewiki.net/wiki/Translating:Group_statistics
>>
>> On Sun, Jun 8, 2008 at 1:16 PM, Aphaia <aphaia at gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> On Sun, Jun 8, 2008 at 8:04 PM, Gerard Meijssen
>>> <gerard.meijssen at gmail.com> wrote:
>>> > Hoi,
>>> > When you localise in Betawiki, you are provided with messages in
>>> > English
>>> > that provide you the context of the message. When you localise outside
>>> > Betawiki such help is not available. I would argue that you should
>>> localise
>>> > in Betawiki because it helps you with the context. When these messages
>>> are
>>> > missing, it is only because nobody bothered to add them.
>>>
>>> Sorry disagree. When I am on Betawiki, I see only English MediaWiki
>>> files, not knowing where I will find it on a real wiki. It doesn't
>>> give us context.
>>> >
>>> > When you have suggestions to make Betawiki even better, we do welcome
>>> them.
>>> >
>>> > What we are looking for is more people that contribute to the
>>> localisation
>>> > process, certainly for a big language like Japanese it should be
>>> > possible
>>> > not only to do the initial localisation but also to do the proof
>>> > reading
>>> and
>>> > improve the available localisations.
>>> >
>>> > One question, when you found the localisation lacking, you do know how
>>> this
>>> > can be remedied, don't you !?!
>>>
>>> Why? I see only messages without knowing which MediaWiki file contains
>>> that. Why do you think I know something?
>>>
>>> Thanks,
>>> >      GerardM
>>> >
>>> > On Sun, Jun 8, 2008 at 12:32 PM, Aphaia <aphaia at gmail.com> wrote:
>>> >
>>> >> I'm a bit concerned Japanese low (lowest ever since 2004) and gave a
>>> >> look to Japanese setting (note: my home wiki is meta and I use English
>>> >> settings for convenience in communications with the other meta
>>> >> regular).
>>> >>
>>> >> I let some Eleccom members the problems I found, but one of them are
>>> >> noted worthy publicly, for warning other language setting problem. So
>>> >> sorry for duplications, if any.
>>> >>
>>> >> Japanese setting says "the Election 2008 is over" and has no
>>> >> instruction of voting method. No mention people are expected to rank
>>> >> candidates. I am amazed three people had voted even in this
>>> >> circumstance...
>>> >>
>>> >> If you are good at your language and English, please check Boardvote:*
>>> >> to see they are rightly translated.
>>> >>
>>> >> (That is partly why I am no big fan of betawiki way: translation out
>>> >> of context is sometimes disastrous confusing .. like the above).
>>> >>
>>> >> On Sun, Jun 8, 2008 at 7:52 AM, Jon Harald Søby <jhsoby at gmail.com>
>>> wrote:
>>> >> > Yes, they are.
>>> >> >
>>> >> > 2008/6/7 Joe Szilagyi <szilagyi at gmail.com>:
>>> >> >
>>> >> >> On Sat, Jun 7, 2008 at 11:11 AM, Casey Brown <cbrown1023.ml@
>>> gmail.com>
>>> >> >> wrote:
>>> >> >>
>>> >> >> > On Sat, Jun 7, 2008 at 1:44 PM, Joe Szilagyi <szilagyi at gmail.com>
>>> >> wrote:
>>> >> >> > > What qualifies a vote to be struck or discounted?
>>> >> >> > >
>>> >> >> > > And, how are the users affected thus notified? Are they told
>>> >> >> > > why
>>> >> their
>>> >> >> > vote
>>> >> >> > > was struck? If not on either of these two, why?
>>> >> >> >
>>> >> >> > Mark responded to this yesterday:
>>> >> >> >
>>> >> >>
>>> >> >>
>>> >> >> I noticed that afterwards, sorry. I'm still curious if for some
>>> >> >> other
>>> >> >> reason, if votes are struck, if the person whose vote is struck is
>>> >> >> to
>>> be
>>> >> >> notified?
>>> >> >>
>>> >> >> - Joe
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