[Foundation-l] Ukrainian Wikipedia

[Pavlo Shevelo]

Birgitte,

Thank you very much for right impulse (or it was kick? :) ).
We have rather good cooperation with guys from ru:WP on copyright
issues and we will appreciate a lot Alex Spade hand (never
communicated with him yet).

I stop arguing with Ahonc not because of lack of arguments but because:
- I know from my and our community experience that arguing with him is
senseless  (in any meaning)  whether it 1:1 or in public, whether
online or offline (we wasted couple of real-life meetings on that).
- impulse from you mentioned;


Sorry that everybody were involved in this incident.



On Tue, Jul 15, 2008 at 10:42 PM, Birgitte SB <birgitte_sb at yahoo.com> wrote:
> Please stop making this situation more heated and based on poor researched assumptions than it is already.  Of course any Wikipedia can run a self-audit of thier situation.  We certainly do not need a "posse" of anything to get involved.
>
> Is  Alex Spade still active on ru.WP.  I remember he had a rather good understanding of copyright.  Perhaps he can help advise the local Arbcom on this issue.
>
> Birgitte SB
>
>
> --- On Tue, 7/15/08, Christiano Moreschi <moreschiwikiman at hotmail.co.uk> wrote:
>
>> From: Christiano Moreschi <moreschiwikiman at hotmail.co.uk>
>> Subject: Re: [Foundation-l] Ukrainian Wikipedia
>> To: "Wikimedia Foundation Mailing List" <foundation-l at lists.wikimedia.org>
>> Date: Tuesday, July 15, 2008, 2:26 PM
>> Umm, why not? Obviously don't pick Ahonc's mates,
>> but commons admins in general tend to be fairly smart,
>> neutral, and very good with copyright. It comes with the
>> job. Unfortunately, if this is a case of "local rules
>> mean we can say fuck copyright", that won't wash.
>> There are, obviously, global standards. Enforced by law, no
>> less.
>>
>> Regardless, you lot can't audit yourselves. And
>> don't patronize me with platitudes.
>>
>> CM
>>
>> Odi profanum vulgus et arceo.
>>
>> > Date: Tue, 15 Jul 2008 22:23:21 +0300
>> > From: pavlo.shevelo at gmail.com
>> > To: foundation-l at lists.wikimedia.org
>> > Subject: Re: [Foundation-l] Ukrainian Wikipedia
>> >
>> > Christiano,
>> >
>> > As you well know (it's well known fact) that each
>> and every
>> > complicated problem has simple, so wrong solution.
>> >
>> > As the matter of fact Ahonc, who was desysoped in uk:
>> managed to
>> > became a sysop in commons and uk: community was (and
>> still remains)
>> > just shocked by that :(
>> > I don't think that  "some commons
>> admins" - it's right solution.
>> >
>> > On Tue, Jul 15, 2008 at 10:13 PM, Christiano Moreschi
>> > <moreschiwikiman at hotmail.co.uk> wrote:
>> > >
>> > > Pish-tush. Less insults, please. Theoretically,
>> this should be very simply to solve. Get some commons
>> admins on it who all grok copyright, find them a translator
>> if need be, and see if copyright vio really is rife on this
>> Wikipedia. We shall see.
>> > >
>> > > CM
>> > >
>> > > Odi profanum vulgus et arceo.
>> > >
>> > >> Date: Tue, 15 Jul 2008 22:10:46 +0300
>> > >> From: pavlo.shevelo at gmail.com
>> > >> To: foundation-l at lists.wikimedia.org
>> > >> Subject: Re: [Foundation-l] Ukrainian
>> Wikipedia
>> > >>
>> > >> > As far as I understood, the problem is
>> that Ukrainian Wikipedia ignores
>> > >> > copyright problems at all.
>> > >> > --VasilievVV
>> > >>
>> > >> Well well well - it's exactly what
>> Anatoliy (Ahonc) is trying to
>> > >> achieve - to rise up the scandal speculating
>> (mixing the facts with
>> > >> "hints" and emotions).
>> > >> Anyhow "Ukrainian Wikipedia ignores
>> copyright problems at all" - is
>> > >> wrong claim and Mr. VasilievVV has a plenty
>> of opportunities to get to
>> > >> know that (presuming minimal good intentions
>> if any).
>> > > l
>> > >
>> > >
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