[Foundation-l] thoughts on leakages

[Dan Rosenthal]

Gerard,

Maybe the reason you don't know why Danny left his job, is because you  
haven't asked nicely. The story is out there.

-Dan
On Jan 11, 2008, at 9:39 AM, Gerard Meijssen wrote:

> Hoi,
> There is an important difference between a person who walks away in  
> a huff
> as an employee and then decides to stand for board election and a  
> person
> that changes one role for another. The difference is that in the one
> situation I do not expect positive cooperation and in the other I do  
> not see
> such such a problem. From my perspective Danny was not forthcoming in
> explaining why he left his job. I have asked him repeatedly for this  
> from
> the moment when he announced that he would run for a seat on the  
> board of
> trustees.
>
> I opposed Danny's candidacy from the moment he announced his wish to  
> be a
> candidate. This was before the moment people could make themselves  
> available
> as such. The notion that people would object to accepting someone on  
> the
> board that was voted in is an option that is open to the board. It  
> will
> upset some people but this is to be weighed against the harm that is
> expected of an unwelcome elected board member.
>
> Thanks,
>     GerardM
>
> On Jan 11, 2008 2:17 PM, Florence Devouard <Anthere9 at yahoo.com> wrote:
>
>> Anthony wrote:
>>> On Jan 10, 2008 11:13 PM, Jussi-Ville Heiskanen <cimonavaro at gmail.com 
>>> >
>> wrote:
>>>> And (also by the text of the minutes that is published - seems  
>>>> there
>> are some
>>>> edits there that are discussing later developements rather than  
>>>> what
>> transpired
>>>> at the meeting itself; which is probably illustrative in a positive
>>>> fashion, even
>>>> though it confuses the text of the minutes as a document of a  
>>>> specific
>> event)
>>>> specifically Erik was tasked with drafting the resolution; which  
>>>> after
>> inquiring
>>>> with Mike, (someone, not clear who) decided that it was a bylaws
>> matter, not
>>>> a resolution matter.
>>>>
>>> Well, it would make no sense as a resolution matter to ban former
>>> employees from becoming board members (for a certain period of time
>>> following their employment).  The board has to have a majority  
>>> vote to
>>> install new board members anyway, so that same majority could just
>>> repeal the resolution.
>>
>> Though the community made it crystal clear that it would be really
>> shocking that we could refuse a member elected by the community.
>>
>> Ant
>>
>> To have any effectiveness at all this would
>>> have to be in the bylaws.
>>>
>>> That said, the opposite move, banning former board members from
>>> becoming employees (for a certain period of time following their  
>>> board
>>> membership), would at least have some effect as a resolution, as it
>>> would at least bar such things from happening without the explicit
>>> approval of the board.
>>>
>>>> If there has been a subsequent decision to not implement the  
>>>> voted on
>>>> decision even as a bylaws change, that is regrettably in the  
>>>> utmost. A
>> real
>>>> step backwards in clarifying things between the roles of staff and
>> board.
>>>>
>>> Well, I think the recent events have shown that such a bylaws change
>>> would hinder the ability of the Foundation to structure itself most
>>> efficiently, so I'd say such a change of view would be fortunate,
>>> rather than regrettable.  OTOH, I haven't heard any of the board
>>> members, or even Erik himself, say that their view on this rule has
>>> changed.
>>>
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