[Foundation-l] Reply to Mark

[Ben Yates]

Oops.  And also, now that I've had a chance to sit and think about it,
florence actually seems to already be doing pretty much all the right
things, so my message was a little redundant.  Egg, face, etc.

On Fri, Feb 29, 2008 at 5:48 AM, Florence Devouard <Anthere9 at yahoo.com> wrote:
> May I kindly clarify that the previous message was written by Phoebe and
>  not by Florence ?
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>  Ant
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>  Ben Yates wrote:
>  > I think you misread the "personally discriminated" line -- it seemed
>  > like florence was using that wording to specifically acknowledge the
>  > extent of the problem, not to diminish it.
>  >
>  > That said, it seems pretty clear that the location was sort of agreed
>  > on backroom-style because of the symbolism of alexandria's library.
>  >
>  > On Fri, Feb 29, 2008 at 2:46 AM, Claudio Mastroianni
>  > <gattonero at gmail.com> wrote:
>  >>  Il giorno 29/feb/08, alle ore 08:30, phoebe ayers ha scritto:
>  >>
>  >>
>  >>  > On Thu, Feb 28, 2008 at 1:42 PM, Nathan <nawrich at gmail.com> wrote:
>  >>  >> This thread should probably have a more appropriate title.
>  >>  >>
>  >>  >> As others have eloquently said, Wikimedia is about free - as in
>  >>  >> freedom. The
>  >>  >> choice of where to meet, as participants in Wikimedia projects,
>  >>  >> should
>  >>  >> without doubt take this principle into account.
>  >>  >
>  >>  > It should probably be pointed out just one more time -- even if it is
>  >>  > exceedingly obvious -- that our Egyptian colleagues are participants
>  >>  > in our community as well. And to my knowledge, they have not yet been
>  >>  > able to attend a Wikimania, due to visa issues with the countries
>  >>  > involved where we have held the conference in the past. Believe me, it
>  >>  > wasn't through lack of trying, all three years.
>  >>
>  >>  Let me understand: we - gays, lesbians, women "with immoral
>  >>  behaviours" should pay the fee for something YOU - the Board, the
>  >>  Wikimania Committee, the Whatever - made in the past?
>  >>  Who choose Taipei last years? You knew there would have been Visa
>  >>  problems.
>  >>  It's not our fault.
>  >>
>  >>
>  >>  > I can say that this conference choice was not made for political
>  >>  > reasons or as a political statement; that much should be clear.
>  >>
>  >>  Oh, come on. Don't try to fool us (again). This choice has obviously
>  >>  some political reasons too, just like Taipei last year ("Freedom in
>  >>  place where freedom doesn't exist").
>  >>
>  >>
>  >>  > I also
>  >>  > sincerely hope that anyone who can't attend this year -- whether it's
>  >>  > because Egypt is too far, because they don't have enough money,
>  >>  > because they fear for their safety traveling, or any other reason --
>  >>  > will be able to join the conference in future years in other places,
>  >>  > because Wikimania is a truly amazing event.
>  >>
>  >>  Again: whatever if you're gay/lesbian/woman/whatever, just don't come.
>  >>  And thanks for the contributions,cheers.
>  >>
>  >>
>  >>  > I am personally very sorry that people are upset over the location
>  >>  > choice and feel personally discriminated against because of it.
>  >>
>  >>  What? "Personally discriminated"?
>  >>  That's offensive: trying to "invert" the problem, accusing the
>  >>  complainers.
>  >>
>  >>
>  >>
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