[Foundation-l] Status of cloak requests

[Dan Rosenthal]

"Catalyzing". Ops not being allowed to stay opped all of the time.  
Bans being removed after short periods of time.

-Dan
On Feb 26, 2008, at 10:21 AM, John Reaves wrote:

> What freenode restrictions are enabling bot attacks?
>
> --John Reaves
>
> On Tue, Feb 26, 2008 at 6:54 AM, Dan Rosenthal  
> <swatjester at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> The underlying problem with that is they are also able to tell
>> legitimate complaints no.  It beholdens one of the methods of the
>> Foundation's communications (official or not) to a 3rd party's
>> policies, with zero oversight or enforcement from the foundation. And
>> then, we're presented with problems like relying on a third party to
>> protect our privacy with cloaks; newcomers that are disgusted and
>> turned away by coming into our channels and seeing bot attacks that  
>> we
>> are hamstrung from preventing due to stupid restrictions on ops by
>> freenode; group contacts that have been criticized as being
>> unavailable and unhelpful; drama involving logging policies etc.
>>
>> We could bypass all of this by simply hosting the IRC server  
>> ourselves.
>>
>> -Dan
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On Feb 26, 2008, at 9:36 AM, David Gerard wrote:
>>
>>> On 26/02/2008, Paul Williams <paul at skenmy.com> wrote:
>>>> On Tue, Feb 26, 2008 at 2:18 PM, Dan Rosenthal
>>>> <swatjester at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>>> A question that has been raised for some time. Freenode has issues
>>>>> beyond just the IRC cloaks.  Why aren't we having an
>>>>> irc.wikimedia.org?  There's really no good reason beyond "that's
>>>>> just
>>>>> the way it is."
>>>
>>>> I have considerable experience in running IRC servers and networks.
>>>> They
>>>> aren't particularly resource intensive - and the customisation
>>>> facilities
>>>> are massive if you have backend access.
>>>> Just give me a shout if you need anything regarding this and i'd be
>>>> more
>>>> than willing to help out.
>>>
>>>
>>> Lots of people around Wikimedia and its projects use IRC very
>>> effectively as a working tool, but the social project fallout on  
>>> en:wp
>>> in particular from IRC use and suspicion of it is ... remarkable.  
>>> (See
>>> the recent arbitration case for an example.)
>>>
>>> One important and useful byproduct of the Foundation's hands-off
>>> approach to Wikimedia IRC on Freenode is being able to tell people
>>> complaining to the Foundation to go away and ask James or Sean, both
>>> of whom are highly practiced in telling spurious complainants "no."
>>>
>>> I suppose if we had our own server they could get the job there too
>>> and do it in a similar way ... "Here, James, Sean, have this  
>>> excellent
>>> chalice. Only a little poison!"
>>>
>>>
>>> - d.
>>>
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