[Foundation-l] Returning to Foundation-L

Brian Brian.Mingus at colorado.edu
Fri Feb 1 19:51:32 UTC 2008

Welcome back. I've been wondering what the result of the recent discussion
on this list with regards to raising the level of conversation would be. I
hope we haven't forgotten already. Jimbo characterized this list as
'increasingly useless as a mailing list because it is so frequently
dominated by people who seem to be very "bitter and mean-spirited" to the
point that they are on the attack no matter what happens.' With the
Foundation increasingly becoming more of a formal organization this comment
(which I consider to be true) bothers me tremendously. We need a venue for
transparent communication between the community and the Foundation where all
parties feel comfortable speaking. Why was this particular comment not

On Fri, Feb 1, 2008 at 12:41 PM, Mike Godwin <mgodwin at wikimedia.org> wrote:

> >
> Hi, Wikimedians.
> Michael Snow has persuaded me to return to Foundation-L, and his
> arguments have enough merit that I've decided to give the list another
> shot.
> I should add at the outset that I actually do take frivolous
> comparisons to Nazis or the Holocaust quite seriously -- I think
> joking about either subject tends to trivialize a very traumatic
> historical period, and I think we're better off remembering that
> period with a great deal of consideration and seriousness.  I
> originally left this list because I felt that almost any response I
> might make to such a comparison was complicit in such trivialization,
> and I didn't want to be complicit.
> That said, I am of course willing to be myself the object of joking
> and abuse on this list, which is probably as it should be.
> --Mike
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