[Foundation-l] Free license templates

[Chad]

If anyone would like to comment by the way, I threw up
a basic draft over at [[c:Commons:Licensing_templates]].
I think it would be easier to make such a list and keep
/it/ updated (and would be a good task for your bot,
White_Cat), as opposed to a massive Foundation-wide
renaming.

-Chad

On Sat, Apr 19, 2008 at 10:29 PM, Chad <innocentkiller at gmail.com> wrote:
> Has nothing to do with "getting even" with commons. It's
>  about commons doing their own work and the wikis doing
>  theirs. While interoperability is a good idea, mass renaming
>  would be highly disruptive. Not only would you need to agree
>  on a good language-neutral name in and of itself (which is a
>  task, knowing this or any other mailing list, or meta), then
>  comes the job of localizing all of the information (you can't
>  just rename templates. If they're going to be treated as the
>  same, they must have /identical/ verbiage, localized), not
>  to mention making sure every language affected has been
>  notified (and agrees!). Now, I don't think individual wikis
>  would mind helping gather the information for conversion
>  tables (like I suggested), but I do think they would object
>  to arbitrary renaming just to make the job easier for
>  commons.
>
>  In light of all of these: no, I don't think running your bot
>  is going to happen.
>
>  -Chad
>
>  On Sat, Apr 19, 2008 at 5:38 PM, White Cat
>
>
> <wikipedia.kawaii.neko at gmail.com> wrote:
>  >
>  > On Sat, Apr 19, 2008 at 11:59 PM, Pedro Sanchez <pdsanchez at gmail.com> wrote:
>  >
>  >  > On Sat, Apr 19, 2008 at 3:36 PM, White Cat
>  >  > <wikipedia.kawaii.neko at gmail.com> wrote:
>  >  > >
>  >  > >
>  >  > >  The tone of your response is not in the spirit of what I am trying to
>  >  > do
>  >  > >  here. I find it a bit repulsive. I would encourage you to tone it down.
>  >  > >
>  >  > >  I am not asking for an English naming. "PD" is an abbreviation like
>  >  > "UN".
>  >  > >  What you say isn't necessarily true. Japanese wikipedia for example
>  >  > uses
>  >  > >  commons compatible names for their license templates.
>  >  > >
>  >  > >
>  >  > http://ja.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:%E7%94%BB%E5%83%8F%E3%81%AE%E8%91%97%E4%BD%9C%E6%A8%A9%E8%A1%A8%E7%A4%BA%E3%83%86%E3%83%B3%E3%83%97%E3%83%AC%E3%83%BC%E3%83%88
>  >  > >
>  >  > >  It is obviously more than workable.
>  >  > >
>  >  > >  I think Thai people can easily read the content of the template even if
>  >  > they
>  >  > >  completely fail to read the templates name (say "{{GFDL}}") in the
>  >  > code.
>  >  > >  People who edit wikipedia will figure out what such abbreviation mean
>  >  > in a
>  >  > >  very short period of time. People who do not edit wikipedia will never
>  >  > see
>  >  > >  these template names.
>  >  > >
>  >  > >
>  >  > >
>  >  > >      - White Cat
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>  >  >
>  >  > People incorrectly upload  images, not just when uploading from local
>  >  > wikis to commons, but even when uploading directly to commons.
>  >  > Tempalte naming won't stop that problem.
>  >  >
>  >  > Now, what I've understood, is that you want all wikis to make a change
>  >  >  (and that change isn't being proposed on the wikis) to accomodate
>  >  > commons.
>  >  > You also need to take int oaccount that wikis have local uplaods, and
>  >  > thus thir  template namings need to reflect the usage and language for
>  >  > the wiki users, with a much higher priority than commons needs.
>  >  >
>  >  > Commosn has always complained when wikipedias demand commons to do
>  >  > something, telling "we're not here to serve wikipedias, we're a
>  >  > project on our own"
>  >  > Same goes reverse, wikipedias are not to serve commons, and you want
>  >  > to run a bot (for an unapproved task) to change widely used templates
>  >  > in many wikis without first discussing it with the wikis you will be
>  >  > affecting
>  >  >
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>  >  So this is merely a getting even with commons huh? Commons isn't the enemy.
>  >
>  >
>  >
>  >      - White Cat
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