[Foundation-l] Free license templates

[Chad]

Has nothing to do with "getting even" with commons. It's
about commons doing their own work and the wikis doing
theirs. While interoperability is a good idea, mass renaming
would be highly disruptive. Not only would you need to agree
on a good language-neutral name in and of itself (which is a
task, knowing this or any other mailing list, or meta), then
comes the job of localizing all of the information (you can't
just rename templates. If they're going to be treated as the
same, they must have /identical/ verbiage, localized), not
to mention making sure every language affected has been
notified (and agrees!). Now, I don't think individual wikis
would mind helping gather the information for conversion
tables (like I suggested), but I do think they would object
to arbitrary renaming just to make the job easier for
commons.

In light of all of these: no, I don't think running your bot
is going to happen.

-Chad

On Sat, Apr 19, 2008 at 5:38 PM, White Cat
<wikipedia.kawaii.neko at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> On Sat, Apr 19, 2008 at 11:59 PM, Pedro Sanchez <pdsanchez at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>  > On Sat, Apr 19, 2008 at 3:36 PM, White Cat
>  > <wikipedia.kawaii.neko at gmail.com> wrote:
>  > >
>  > >
>  > >  The tone of your response is not in the spirit of what I am trying to
>  > do
>  > >  here. I find it a bit repulsive. I would encourage you to tone it down.
>  > >
>  > >  I am not asking for an English naming. "PD" is an abbreviation like
>  > "UN".
>  > >  What you say isn't necessarily true. Japanese wikipedia for example
>  > uses
>  > >  commons compatible names for their license templates.
>  > >
>  > >
>  > http://ja.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:%E7%94%BB%E5%83%8F%E3%81%AE%E8%91%97%E4%BD%9C%E6%A8%A9%E8%A1%A8%E7%A4%BA%E3%83%86%E3%83%B3%E3%83%97%E3%83%AC%E3%83%BC%E3%83%88
>  > >
>  > >  It is obviously more than workable.
>  > >
>  > >  I think Thai people can easily read the content of the template even if
>  > they
>  > >  completely fail to read the templates name (say "{{GFDL}}") in the
>  > code.
>  > >  People who edit wikipedia will figure out what such abbreviation mean
>  > in a
>  > >  very short period of time. People who do not edit wikipedia will never
>  > see
>  > >  these template names.
>  > >
>  > >
>  > >
>  > >      - White Cat
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>  >
>  > People incorrectly upload  images, not just when uploading from local
>  > wikis to commons, but even when uploading directly to commons.
>  > Tempalte naming won't stop that problem.
>  >
>  > Now, what I've understood, is that you want all wikis to make a change
>  >  (and that change isn't being proposed on the wikis) to accomodate
>  > commons.
>  > You also need to take int oaccount that wikis have local uplaods, and
>  > thus thir  template namings need to reflect the usage and language for
>  > the wiki users, with a much higher priority than commons needs.
>  >
>  > Commosn has always complained when wikipedias demand commons to do
>  > something, telling "we're not here to serve wikipedias, we're a
>  > project on our own"
>  > Same goes reverse, wikipedias are not to serve commons, and you want
>  > to run a bot (for an unapproved task) to change widely used templates
>  > in many wikis without first discussing it with the wikis you will be
>  > affecting
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>  So this is merely a getting even with commons huh? Commons isn't the enemy.
>
>
>
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