[Foundation-l] Criteria for the closure of projects.

[Gerard Meijssen]

Hoi,
Message localisation is only required for the 500 or so messages that are
the most relevant ones. For subsequent messages a full localisation is
required. This means that the requirements have been reduced for initial
projects in a language. It is assumed that the need for localisation is felt
as a project matures and we hope and expect and even have some proof that as
a consequence a subsequent project does not have to do it all.

I also agree with you that continuous development is a good thing. with two
editors writing one article a week there and a start from the Incubator with
some 300 articles they would be out of any conceived danger zone within a
year.




I agree with you that 1000 articles for Wikipedia could be seen as some
10.000 articles in Wiktionary. For a Wikinews I would expect at least one
article per day for a period of three months.

On Thu, Apr 10, 2008 at 4:05 PM, Andre Engels <andreengels at gmail.com> wrote:

> 2008/4/10, Gerard Meijssen <gerard.meijssen at gmail.com>:
> > Hoi,
> >  For quite some time, we have had people arguing for the closure of
> projects.
> >  I have seen many arguments pro and against closures. What has been
> missing
> >  in all these projects are objective criteria why it makes sense to find
> >  fault with a project.
> >
> >  I have come up with three objective arguments.
> >
> >    - A project is not what it is advertised to be. For instance when a
> >    language is always written in a particular script, a project in any
> other
> >    script is problematic.
>
> With this I agree. Other examples are:
> * A Wikipedia with only or mostly 'articles' of length 1 line or less
> * A Wikisource with only or mostly source material in another language
> than the project's own
>
> >    - A project does not have at least 90% of the most relevant messages
> >    localised. For your information there are only 498 messages in this
> category
> >    at the moment.
>
> I disagree. I still don't agree that message localisation is an
> important factor in allowing or disallowing a language; also, this
> would put the limit high on the first project in a language, very low
> for subsequent ones. A well-developing Wikipedia in a new language
> might be excluded by this criterium, whereas a dead Wikisource or
> Wikinews might easily reach the goal simply by copying from its
> partner Wikipedia.
>
> >    - A project should have at least 1000 articles. When there is nothing
> >    to see what is the point ?
>
> Development. As said by others, ongoing development is more important
> than actual article number. I would measure this by active users - at
> least 3 (or 5?) active users (measured by number of edits in a month.
>
> Measurement in number of articles is also problematic because the
> various types of projects are quite different in that. A Wiktionary
> with 1000 words is still a small startup, a Wikinews with 1000
> articles is quite serious already.
>
>
> --
> Andre Engels, andreengels at gmail.com
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