[Foundation-l] Creative Commons CC-BY-SA Draft Statement of Intent

[Milos Rancic]

Unlike in the case of GNU licenses, there are different
interpretations of CC licenses made by lawyers from different
jurisdictions inside of USA. Unfortunately, no of those
interpretations cover Florida or California law explicitly.

And now a little bit about Erik's life and work ;) I know how deeply
Erik is involved in the free culture matters. Maybe he even has a
clear picture of all legal consequences, according to his talks with
different lawyers. But, I am not talking here about his possibility to
process data and to make right decisions.

Switching from one license to another is not only a matter of the
Board and the Office, but a matter of all contributors to Wikimedia
projects. So, I don't want to hear the product of Erik's procession of
data, I want to hear (not via private email, but here!) a professional
analysis of the legal consequences, especially applied for us, which
means -- the implications related to Florida and California judicial
systems.

Trusting or not trusting to someone's abilities is one thing. A very
opposite thing is keeping things transparent.

On Sun, Apr 6, 2008 at 1:07 PM, Gerard Meijssen
<gerard.meijssen at gmail.com> wrote:
> Hoi,
>  So everyone but a lawyer specialised in copyright law is an amateur? I
>  always learned that the opposite of an amateur is a professional. Certainly
>  Erik is one at that.
>  Thanks,
>        GerardM
>
>
>
>  On Sun, Apr 6, 2008 at 1:03 PM, Milos Rancic <millosh at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>  > He is not a lawyer. Being deeply involved and understanding social
>  > processes don't qualify one person to be a lawyer who is able to
>  > analyze possible judicial consequences of one legal act, like license
>  > is.
>  >
>  > On Sun, Apr 6, 2008 at 12:57 PM, Gerard Meijssen
>  > <gerard.meijssen at gmail.com> wrote:
>  > > Hoi,
>  > >  Why do you think particularly Erik is an amateur at this? I would say
>  > that
>  > >  one of the reasons why he was offered the job of deputy director of the
>  > WMF
>  > >  is because of his efforts in this field. Given that Jimmy is a board
>  > member
>  > >  of the CC and a board member of the WMF, I would not qualify him as
>  > just an
>  > >  amateur either.
>  > >  Thanks,
>  > >      GerardM
>  > >
>  > >
>  > >
>  > >  On Sun, Apr 6, 2008 at 12:52 PM, Milos Rancic <millosh at gmail.com>
>  > wrote:
>  > >
>  > >  > The whole process was far from transparent and you are continuing
>  > with
>  > >  > writing rationalizations for keeping the process nontransparent.
>  > >  > Changing the license is not only a matter of the Board, but it is a
>  > >  > matter of all contributors.
>  > >  >
>  > >  > I don't remember that I've seen any professional analysis of what we
>  > >  > are getting and what we are losing by switching from one to another
>  > >  > license. There were only amateur arguing (including your, Erik's,
>  > >  > mine, Gregory's, Gerard's...) pro and contra one or another license.
>  > >  > (If there was such analysis, please, give me a link.)
>  > >  >
>  > >  > On Sat, Apr 5, 2008 at 11:49 PM, Jimmy Wales <jwales at wikia.com>
>  > wrote:
>  > >  > > Milos Rancic wrote:
>  > >  > >  > May you inform us about at least some of your conclusions (I am
>  > >  > >  > particularly interested in Mike's conclusions, of course)? Also,
>  > >  > while
>  > >  > >  > I am not perfectly informed about this, I really wouldn't miss
>  > the
>  > >  > >  > information which you said now. So, please, may this process be
>  > a
>  > >  > >  > little bit more transparent?
>  > >  > >
>  > >  > >  I am not sure what I can tell you.  What do you want to know?
>  > >  > >
>  > >  > >  It is not possible to tell you blow by blow the state of complex
>  > >  > >  discussions.  It's the hands of lawyers who are working very
>  > >  > >  thoughtfully about how to deal with complex issues.  Discussions
>  > have
>  > >  > >  been going on for years, and things are very close to resolution.
>  > >  > >
>  > >  > >  There was a public comment process, did you take part in it?
>  > >  > >
>  > >  > >  --Jimbo
>  > >  > >
>  > >  > >
>  > >  > >
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