[Foundation-l] Allow new wikis in extinct languages?

[Mark Williamson]

The fact that the Coptic church may or may not issue their documents
in Coptic is not enough alone to state that this is a "dead language".

We must look at all facets of modern use (and lack thereof), rather
than just the issuance of new documents by a particular church in a
specific language.

Mark

On 01/04/2008, Aphaia <aphaia at gmail.com> wrote:
> On Wed, Apr 2, 2008 at 5:04 AM, Pharos <pharosofalexandria at gmail.com> wrote:
>  > On Sat, Mar 29, 2008 at 5:33 PM, Mark Williamson <node.ue at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> For Latin, it is obvious. The latest Roman Missal was published in
>  2002. If you can argue it is not so much different from the second
>  latest one, it had been published in 1962. Reflecting the so-called
>  2nd Vatican Counsil and its reformation, 1962 version, or Novus Ordo
>  is very known of its differences from the earlier versions. Or we can
>  refer to CCC or several motu proprios which the Vatican has issued.
>
>  On the other hand, Coptic Church doesn't seem to be enthusiastic to
>  issue their documents in Coptic. As for the Orthodox, I don't know any
>  church in the Slavic tradition using Church Slavic as their document
>  language, while still today it is the language of liturgy and the
>  Scrupture and many prayers, and Churches in Greek tradition don't use
>  Attic dialect as far as I know.
>
>  There is a good reason Latin learners can be allowed to entertain
>  their linguistic ability on this project, I think. Anyway, even in a
>  narrow region, it is still used and viable to carry ideas.
>
>
>  >  Yes, I think the exact rule we should propose is: Does this language
>  >  have a contemporary literature?  Are new articles or books still be
>  >  written in it?
>  >
>  >  And is the contemporary literature respected by -scholars- of the
>  >  "historical" language (i.e. not something merely pursued by Sumerian
>  >  hobbyists)?
>  >
>  >  Because if there is a contemporary literature, then the language is
>  >  not truly extinct in the written form.
>  >
>  >  When we "provide the sum of human knowledge to every human being", we
>  >  must recognize the diversity of human expression, and that a -full-
>  >  accounting of the vehicles of intellectual discourse must include all
>  >  languages that have contemporary literatures, whether they havve
>  >  native speakers or not.
>  >
>  >  Pharos
>  >
>  >
>  >
>  >  >  On 29/03/2008, Jesse Martin (Pathoschild) <pathoschild at gmail.com> wrote:
>  >  >  > Hello,
>  >  >  >
>  >  >  >  The language subcommittee only allows languages that have a living
>  >  >  >  native community (except Wikisource, due to its archivist nature).
>  >  >  >  This is based on an interpretation of the Wikimedia Foundation mission
>  >  >  >  to "provide the sum of human knowledge to every human being". Thus,
>  >  >  >  the overriding purpose of allowing a wiki in a new language is to make
>  >  >  >  it accessible to more human beings. If a language has no native users,
>  >  >  >  allowing a wiki in that language does not fit our mission because it
>  >  >  >  does not make that project accessible to more human beings. Instead, a
>  >  >  >  wiki in their native languages should be requested if it doesn't
>  >  >  >  already exist.
>  >  >  >
>  >  >  >  Typically, the users requesting a wiki in an extinct language don't
>  >  >  >  want to provide educational material to more people at all, but only
>  >  >  >  want to promote or revive the language. While these are noble goals,
>  >  >  >  they are not those of the Wikimedia Foundation, so that a wiki should
>  >  >  >  not be created simply to fulfill them.
>  >  >  >
>  >  >  >  But that is my opinion. What do you think; should wikis be allowed in
>  >  >  >  every extinct language?
>  >  >  >
>  >  >  >
>  >  >  >  --
>  >  >  >  Yours cordially,
>  >  >  >  Jesse Plamondon-Willard (Pathoschild)
>  >  >  >
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