[Foundation-l] Priorities

[Casey Brown]

I think everyone on this list would agree with you there.

On 10/22/07, Marc Riddell <michaeldavid86 at comcast.net> wrote:
>
> on 10/22/07 6:19 PM, GerardM at gerard.meijssen at gmail.com wrote:
>
> > Hoi,
> > I agree with your sentiments. However, this is the Foundation list and
> it is
> > largely an English language Wikipedia phenomena. I do not feel that it
> is an
> > issue that I should deal with because I am not really connected to what
> > happens on the English language Wikipedia. Even though it is "not
> good"TM it
> > is not something that feels like "us" to me. It is you lot of the
> English
> > language Wikipedia that have to deal with it.
> >
> > As it is so often said, the English language Wikipedia often prides
> itself
> > for being the yardstick that other can measure themselves against. This
> > implies a responsibility.. It does not feel right though.
> >
> Fair enough, Gerard, and points well made - and taken. We in the English
> Wikipedia do have a lot of our act to clean up.
>
> Thank you,
>
> Marc Riddell
>
> >
> > On 10/22/07, Marc Riddell <michaeldavid86 at comcast.net> wrote:
> >>
> >>>
> >>>>> Florence Devouard wrote:
> >>>>>
> >>>>>> ... I felt I could not say publicly that
> >>>> Wikipedia was one
> >>>>>> of the tools to bring peace on Earth because I
> >>>> also know working on our
> >>>>>> projects (not only Wikipedia) is somehow becoming
> >>>> increasingly
> >>>>>> difficult. We are more numerous, more protective
> >>>> to our
> >>>>>> featured-content, less welcoming to our newbies
> >>>> (for technical or social
> >>>>>> reasons).
> >>>>>> How many experts have been driven away by the
> >>>> agressivity of some of our
> >>>>>> members ? How many new editors just were
> >>>> discouraged by the difficulty
> >>>>>> of editing a table or a template ? How many
> >>>> newbies were blocked because
> >>>>>> they just did not understood quickly enough how
> >>>> to use a talk page ?
> >>>>>> Also, during the year, several cases of online or
> >>>> offline harassment of
> >>>>>> contributors were reported. Harassement which
> >>>> came as a result of their
> >>>>>> contributions to our projects.
> >>>>>
> >> Brian McNeil wrote:
> >>
> >>>>> In trying to do my bit for fundraising I emailed
> >>>> Howard Tayler, a webcomic
> >>>>> artist asking could he help with my nonexistent
> >>>> drawing skills and make up
> >>>>> an ad for his site that I'd pay for during part of
> >>>> the WMF fundraiser.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> As an indication that there is indisputably a
> >>>> problem that needs addressed,
> >>>>> here is the response I got.
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>
> >>> ----------------------------------------------------------------------
> >>>>> I use Wikipedia from time to time, and appreciate
> >>>> its value to the growing
> >>>>> internet community, and to the world at large.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> I will not, however, help them raise money. I am
> >>>> strongly opposed to the
> >>>>> "anti-webcomics" agenda that has been espoused by
> >>>> a number of prominent
> >>>>> editors. If the foundation really cared about what
> >>>> these editors write, and
> >>>>> how they treat other people, it would take steps
> >>>> to curb their behavior.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> This, unfortunately, is a very non-negotiable
> >>>> position on my part, and I'd
> >>>>> prefer to not argue about it. We'd just be wasting
> >>>> each others' time.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> I appreciate your attempt to raise money for a
> >>>> cause you believe in, and am
> >>>>> flattered that you'd think of me in connection to
> >>>> it.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> --Howard
> >>>>>
> >>>>
> >>> ----------------------------------------------------------------------
> >>>>>
> >>>>> This issue isn't just costing us contributors;
> >>>> we're losing goodwill and
> >>>>> fundraising opportunities.
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Brian.
> >>>>
> >>>> Right....
> >>>>
> >>>> What is that anti-webcomics" agenda he is talking
> >>>> about ?
> >>>>
> >>>> Ant
> >>>>
> >> on 10/22/07 1:50 PM, Birgitte SB at birgitte_sb at yahoo.com wrote:
> >>>
> >>> This is an en.WP issue (again). Articles on web-comics
> >>> have been deleted as not notable on en.WP. [1]  It
> >>> might be useful to share with Howard what the actual
> >>> mission of Wiki*media* is and how it works, just for
> >>> the sake of clarity.  But I can't imagine anyone would
> >>> really support WMF writing and enforcing new deletion
> >>> guidelines for en.WP or anything else that would truly
> >>> appease him.
> >>>
> >> Brigitte,
> >>
> >> This is the key to his message:
> >>
> >> "If the foundation really cared about what these editors write, and how
> >> they
> >> treat other people, it would take steps to curb their behavior."
> >>
> >> The web-comics issue must, of course, be presented to. But, to focus
> only
> >> on
> >> the web-comics issue is like extinguishing a single tree in the middle
> of
> >> a
> >> forest fire.
> >>
> >> The issue with Wikipedia is the deteriorating culture, and the equally
> >> deteriorating language of that culture! And anyone who stands by and
> >> allows
> >> it to happen - and to continue - is equally culpable. Cultural change
> >> happens only when the people who are a part of that culture change. And
> a
> >> culture is a reflection of everyone who is a part of it.
> >>
> >> Marc Riddell
> >>
> >>
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