[Foundation-l] Google Analytics test

Wed Oct 3 00:23:45 UTC 2007

It is not just Wikibooks craving statistics. Wikinews would incredibly 
benefit from knowing who likes what in terms of current events. It would 
give us an idea as to what we need to expand on. This is, IMO, about 
expanding the capabilities of a project. To bring more of what our 
"readers" want. I agree there are privacy issues, but on a Wiki-wide 
scale, all projects, I see no reason why we cannot take a survey/vote on 
those active users who wish to participate or not. New users can get the 
option as well. This is not an impossible thing to achieve. If all that 
stands in the way is a policy then I say take the time to at least 
consider the possibilities before striking the idea down with a bolt of 
lightning. This, or something similar to Google Analytics, would be of a 
huge benefit to every Wiki.

Jason Safoutin

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>    1. Re: Google Analytics test (Andrew Whitworth)
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>    3. Re: university blocking wikipedia (Thomas Dalton)
>    4. Re: university blocking wikipedia (fredbaud at waterwiki.info)
>    5. Re: university blocking wikipedia (Florence Devouard)
>    6. Re: university blocking wikipedia (Thomas Dalton)
>    7. Re: university blocking wikipedia (Casey Brown)
>    8. Re: university blocking wikipedia (Terin Stock)
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> Message: 1
> Date: Tue, 2 Oct 2007 18:11:02 -0400
> From: Andrew Whitworth <wknight8111 at hotmail.com>
> Subject: Re: [Foundation-l] Google Analytics test
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>> Sending complete logging information on our visitors to a third party
>> would still be an absolute violation of our privacy policy, so probably
>> a no-no. :)
>> The opt-in-only experiments are at least interesting, though, and should
>> give people a taste for what kind of aggregate info we can make use of.
>>     
>
> Exactly, this is only an experiment and we will gather useful information from it whether we try and push things to a new level or not. Many book authors have been crying for some time now for a way to get some readership statistics about their books. The idea of enabling page hit counters has been brought up and shot down on a regular basis. We've applied for an account to the page counter on the toolserver but with no reply. 
>
>   
>> I think it'd be a lot nicer to do the tracking for all pages and all
>> books, from our in-house logging system. All hits to the HTTP proxies
>> are logged, and this log stream is available internally in its entirety
>>     
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> The issue of enabling page counters has been brought up before on bugzilla. See http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=5667 for one example. It's not that we aren't looking for an in-house solution, but it seems like most options have been exhausted. I would be thrilled to learn that there was an in-house logging mechanism available to us to use. We know that one doesnt currently exist in a usable form, and that the techs have more important things to do then throw one together for us.
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> Message: 2
> Date: Tue, 2 Oct 2007 18:13:27 -0400
> From: "C F" <shmaltz at gmail.com>
> Subject: Re: [Foundation-l] university blocking wikipedia
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> On 10/2/07, Terin Stock <terin.stock at wikinewsie.org> wrote:
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>> I know the Palm Beach County Public School district in Palm Beach,
>> Florida activity blocks all access to Wikipedia, under the "Educational
>> Sites" category. I've talked with some teachers, they suggest using
>> answers.com as a solution. Most of the teachers also raised concerns
>> about blocking of other useful websites, both from the teacher's and
>> student's standpoint.
>>     
>
> Well thats for a Public School district, not a university. Public
> Schools have been way more stricter with content filtering than
> universities.
>
> However, blocking wp from schools is something I can understand, and I
> am assuming that it doesn't have to do with content but with the fact
> that users using the school districts computers can edit wp, and thats
> what they are trying to avoid.
>
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>   
>> That said, it seems that the only Wikimedia site blocked is Wikipedia.
>> And isn't answers.com just a sql dump of Wikipedia? Do they have editors
>> that check the articles on their site?
>>
>> C F wrote:
>>     
>>> On 10/2/07, Samuel Klein <sj at laptop.org> wrote:
>>>       
>>>> Unis have *been blocked* by wikipedia when they hosted active vandals.
>>>> That's different.
>>>>         
>>> I'm assuming what the OP said was that the Us blocked wp, and not that
>>> the Us were blocked by WP.
>>>
>>> In any event this is just a rumor as long as the OP only heard about
>>> it, it hasn't really happened.
>>>
>>>
>>>       
>>>> SJ
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Tue, 2 Oct 2007, dan harp wrote:
>>>>
>>>>         
>>>>> just heard an odd thing from a peer @ the high school
>>>>> I work at.
>>>>>
>>>>> "Many major universities have blocked wikipedia"
>>>>>
>>>>> thought I would throw it out to the community and get
>>>>> a bit of direction to research - I find the
>>>>> possibility odd.
>>>>>
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> Date: Tue, 2 Oct 2007 23:20:33 +0100
> From: "Thomas Dalton" <thomas.dalton at gmail.com>
> Subject: Re: [Foundation-l] university blocking wikipedia
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> On 02/10/2007, Terin Stock <terin.stock at wikinewsie.org> wrote:
>   
>> I know the Palm Beach County Public School district in Palm Beach,
>> Florida activity blocks all access to Wikipedia, under the "Educational
>> Sites" category. I've talked with some teachers, they suggest using
>> answers.com as a solution. Most of the teachers also raised concerns
>> about blocking of other useful websites, both from the teacher's and
>> student's standpoint.
>>     
>
> They have a whole category specifically for blocking sites they
> consider educational? Does someone need to explain the point of
> "school" to them?
>
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> Message: 4
> Date: Tue, 02 Oct 2007 22:21:45 +0000
> From: fredbaud at waterwiki.info
> Subject: Re: [Foundation-l] university blocking wikipedia
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> Is it blocked, or just not linked?
>
> Fred
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> Subject: Re: [Foundation-l] university blocking wikipedia
>
> I know the Palm Beach County Public School district in Palm Beach, 
> Florida activity blocks all access to Wikipedia, under the "Educational 
> Sites" category. I've talked with some teachers, they suggest using 
> answers.com as a solution. Most of the teachers also raised concerns 
> about blocking of other useful websites, both from the teacher's and 
> student's standpoint.
>
> That said, it seems that the only Wikimedia site blocked is Wikipedia. 
> And isn't answers.com just a sql dump of Wikipedia? Do they have editors 
> that check the articles on their site?
>
> C F wrote:
>   
>> On 10/2/07, Samuel Klein <sj at laptop.org> wrote:
>>     
>>> Unis have *been blocked* by wikipedia when they hosted active vandals.
>>> That's different.
>>>       
>> I'm assuming what the OP said was that the Us blocked wp, and not that
>> the Us were blocked by WP.
>>
>> In any event this is just a rumor as long as the OP only heard about
>> it, it hasn't really happened.
>>
>>
>>     
>>> SJ
>>>
>>>
>>> On Tue, 2 Oct 2007, dan harp wrote:
>>>
>>>       
>>>> just heard an odd thing from a peer @ the high school
>>>> I work at.
>>>>
>>>> "Many major universities have blocked wikipedia"
>>>>
>>>> thought I would throw it out to the community and get
>>>> a bit of direction to research - I find the
>>>> possibility odd.
>>>>
>>>>
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> Date: Wed, 03 Oct 2007 00:11:29 +0200
> From: Florence Devouard <Anthere9 at yahoo.com>
> Subject: Re: [Foundation-l] university blocking wikipedia
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> dan harp wrote:
>   
>> just heard an odd thing from a peer @ the high school
>> I work at.
>>
>> "Many major universities have blocked wikipedia"
>>
>> thought I would throw it out to the community and get
>> a bit of direction to research - I find the
>> possibility odd.
>>
>>
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> Ask them to cite their sources :-)
> (for example, ask the person to provide names of universities 
> supposingly doing that)
> Then, if the person reveals unable to provide any names, adopt a very 
> serious and dignified face, nod gravely, and says "urban legends are 
> terrible. I wish so much people would start using figures and citing 
> sources when they make a claim. We should ban sentences starting by 
> "many says that", or "some people consider that" or "Most people know 
> that"".
>
> Ant
>
>
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> Message: 6
> Date: Tue, 2 Oct 2007 23:25:14 +0100
> From: "Thomas Dalton" <thomas.dalton at gmail.com>
> Subject: Re: [Foundation-l] university blocking wikipedia
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>> Ask them to cite their sources :-)
>> (for example, ask the person to provide names of universities
>> supposingly doing that)
>> Then, if the person reveals unable to provide any names, adopt a very
>> serious and dignified face, nod gravely, and says "urban legends are
>> terrible. I wish so much people would start using figures and citing
>> sources when they make a claim. We should ban sentences starting by
>> "many says that", or "some people consider that" or "Most people know
>> that"".
>>     
>
> You want to pass [[WP:WEASEL]] into law? Sounds like a plan. Everyone
> pick a country, and we'll start work.
>
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> Message: 7
> Date: Tue, 2 Oct 2007 18:25:25 -0400
> From: "Casey Brown" <cbrown1023.ml at gmail.com>
> Subject: Re: [Foundation-l] university blocking wikipedia
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> ....like we do on Wikipedia! :-)
>
> On 10/2/07, Florence Devouard <Anthere9 at yahoo.com> wrote:
>   
>> dan harp wrote:
>>     
>>> just heard an odd thing from a peer @ the high school
>>> I work at.
>>>
>>> "Many major universities have blocked wikipedia"
>>>
>>> thought I would throw it out to the community and get
>>> a bit of direction to research - I find the
>>> possibility odd.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>       
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>> Ask them to cite their sources :-)
>> (for example, ask the person to provide names of universities
>> supposingly doing that)
>> Then, if the person reveals unable to provide any names, adopt a very
>> serious and dignified face, nod gravely, and says "urban legends are
>> terrible. I wish so much people would start using figures and citing
>> sources when they make a claim. We should ban sentences starting by
>> "many says that", or "some people consider that" or "Most people know
>> that"".
>>
>> Ant
>>
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