[Foundation-l] FW: A Crime in Missouri

Fri Nov 23 00:12:06 UTC 2007

on 11/22/07 6:07 PM, Dan Rosenthal at swatjester at gmail.com wrote:

> I couldn't answer more than conjecture here, since I haven't taken
> criminal law courses yet, (next semester though!)

Good luck to you. Students can be some of the best sources for
brainstorming; their minds are focused on the subject, but haven't come to
any conclusions yet.

> If you're really 
> interested

I'm very interested. In my work, I try to understand, and help, both the
harassers and the harassed.

> I can send a brief email

Please do.

> or put you through to someone who could answer better than I.

Please do this also. (And, not "better", just "differently" ;-) ).
> 
> There was once a federal cyberstalking bill something like 10 years
> ago, but I don't think it ever made it out of committee.
> 
> Quickly via google, I see in Florida:
> http://www.flsenate.gov/Session/index.cfm?Mode=Bills&Submenu=1&BI_Mode=ViewBil
> lInfo&Billnum=0479&Year=2003
> 
> "H479 passed; approved by Governor Jeb Bush on 5/21/03; effective
> 10/01/2003
> Relating to the offense of stalking
> 
> Offense of Stalking; defines term "cyberstalk" to mean communication
> by means of electronic mail or electronic communication which causes
> substantial emotional distress & does not serve legitimate purpose;
> includes within offenses of stalking & aggravated stalking willful,
> malicious, & repeated cyberstalking of another person; provides
> penalties, etc. Amends 784.048; reenacts 775.084(1)(d), 790.065(2)(c),
> 921.0022(3)(f),(g), 960.001(1)(b). "
> 
> Oh, and I remember a couple years ago New York was trying to pass a
> cyberstalking and harassment law that was REALLY draconian, but once
> again I don't know whatever happened to it.
> 
> Also, wasn't there a more recent (i.e. second term bush) attempt to
> get a federal cyberstalking bill pushed through? Something about an
> amendment or a rider to an anti-violence against women act?

Thank you for all of this, Dan.

Marc

> 
> On Nov 22, 2007, at 5:48 PM, Marc Riddell wrote:
> 
>> Dan,
>> 
>> In you experience, how do some of the definitions go? Isn't,
>> particularly,
>> harassment a subjective thing?
>> 
>> Marc
>> 
>> 
>> on 11/22/07 5:35 PM, Dan Rosenthal at swatjester at gmail.com wrote:
>> 
>>> Depends on the jurisdiction.
>>> 
>>> -Dan
>>> 
>>> On Nov 22, 2007, at 4:59 PM, Marc Riddell wrote:
>>> 
>>>> Thanks, Brigitte, I didn't know. I'd also be curious as to how the
>>>> law
>>>> defines stalking and harassment.
>>>> 
>>>> Marc
>>>> 
>>>> on 11/22/07 2:57 PM, Birgitte SB at birgitte_sb at yahoo.com wrote:
>>>> 
>>>>> I happen to live near this town and do know the
>>>>> details  [1].
>>>>> 
>>>>> I can't see how this could involve WMF.  The idea is
>>>>> to make it possible to prosecute individuals who
>>>>> intentionally harass others online.  It has nothing to
>>>>> do with the means of harassment.  The only way I see
>>>>> WMF being affected is if the person charged with
>>>>> harassment is a checkuser or employee or something.
>>>>> 
>>>>> BirgitteSB
>>>>> 
>>>>> [1]
>>>>> http://us.f303.mail.yahoo.com/ym/Compose?box=Foundation%2dl&Mid=2863_10620
>>>>> 78
>>>>> _3
>>>>> 2964_3161_498_0_31904_1095_70994589
>>>>> &inc=&Search=&YY=11233&y5beta=yes&y5beta=ye
>>>>> s&order=down&sort=date&pos=0
>>>>> 
>>>>> --- Marc Riddell <michaeldavid86 at comcast.net> wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>>> This copy was meant for this List.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Marc
>>>>>> ----------
>>>>>> From: Marc Riddell <michaeldavid86 at comcast.net>
>>>>>> Reply-To: Wikimedia Foundation Mailing List
>>>>>> <foundation-l at lists.wikimedia.org>
>>>>>> Date: Thu, 22 Nov 2007 14:20:08 -0500
>>>>>> To: WikiEN List <wikien-l at lists.wikimedia.org>
>>>>>> Cc: Foundation List
>>>>>> <foundation-l at lists.wikimedia.org>
>>>>>> Subject: [Foundation-l] A Crime in Missouri
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> This is a question for you legal eagles out there:
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> A town in Missouri (USA) has made on-line stalking
>>>>>> and harassment a crime. I
>>>>>> don't know much of the details, I just got it from
>>>>>> CNN. But my question is,
>>>>>> if the person charged an/or convicted of this crime
>>>>>> were doing this in
>>>>>> Wikipedia, or one of the other Projects, would the
>>>>>> case involve us.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Just curious.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Marc Riddell
>>>>>> 
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