[Foundation-l] Wikimedia contacts

[White Cat]

Is there any evidence of this leakage is my fault? This is a very
serious accusation! What was the ban based on? Anything? Are we
banning people off of channels over mere paranoia with no basis on
evidence? I could have been contacted by any other op from es-wiki and
infact I was in mid-discussion with one when drini decided to ban me.

I do not even log the channel in question for personal use, let alone
public use. I value my hard drive space and I do not log channels
where the discussion is in a foreign language I do not understand with
the notable exception being #wikipedia-tr which I can understand.

This is a foundation-related issue as it is difficult to find a person
to turn into when things don't flow right. Freenode will not assist
people in trobble as that is the job of wikimedia contacts. Normally
the issue can be resolved in #wikimedia-ops but on situations when
this is not possible there is a virtual void. Freenode staffers would
send me to the foundation and the foundation seems to be not claiming
any responsibility as these are "unofficial" channels. This void
between wikimedia contacts and foundation needs to be filled. The
purpose of this thread is fundamentally that. This problem (the gap)
is hardly exclusive to me.

   - White Cat

On Nov 12, 2007 1:52 PM, Dan Collins <en.wp.st47 at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> On Nov 12, 2007 5:54 AM, White Cat <wikipedia.kawaii.neko at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > NotACow/kayrnn/Kelly is the person issuing the ban on #wikipedia and
> > #wikimedia-ops. All of those layers are hence useless as she so far
> > refused to communicate using a non-irc method such as my wikipedia
> > talk page or email. I do not want to talk to NotACow/kayrnn/Kelly
> > directly on IRC as I ignored her permanently so as not to rise the
> > temperature unnecessarily as we end up annoying each other
> > unintentionally.
> >
> >  I can't publicly post the log here but can email it to you (in fact
> > I'll forwarded it after sending this).
> >
> >     - White Cat
> >
> > On Nov 12, 2007 12:37 PM, Sean Whitton <sean at silentflame.com> wrote:
> > > On 11/12/07, Angela <beesley at gmail.com> wrote:
> > > [snip]
> > > > The contacts are listed on meta, but they're not there to resolve
> > > > personal disputes you have with people on IRC. As the page says "the
> > > > contacts have a policy of staying out of channel affairs..."
> > > >
> > > > http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/IRC_Group_Contacts
> > >
> > > For the record, I am the person to go to at the moment rather than
> > > James as he has delegated 99% of the work to me due to other
> > > commitments. You are right though that we try to stay out of this at
> > > all costs. The correct order for escalation of issues is the
> > > following, but really anything past the first few layers is a last
> > > resort:
> > >
> > > For #wikipedia:
> > > Op who banned
> > > #wikimedia-ops (where I hope bans are used extremely sparingly)
> > > Deputy Channel Contact, NotACow/kayrnn/Kelly
> > > Channel Contact: Mark_Ryan
> > > IRC Group Contacts
> > >
> > > Sean
> > >
> > >
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> Let me just chime in with last night - White_Cat: appearantly Drini, an op,
> asked you why you were in #wikipedia-es - Drini wanted to be sure you
> weren't leaking logs, and you ignored him. When he banned you, you came to
> -ops and asked for help. JohnReaves and myself were on at the time, and we
> didn't ignore you, we simply didn't have any power in -es. When Drini
> arrived, you refused to unignore him, and there wasn't anything we could do
> to help you.
>
> As for the #wikipedia incident, White_Cat was asking for homework
> assistance, NotACow posted the solution, but White_Cat was ignoring NotACow.
> White_Cat was asking for someone with logs, and didn't see NotACow's
> warnings. (NotACow is the deputy channel contact, by the way.)
>
> White_Cat: You want to be unbanned, of course. To do that, you went to -ops
> last night - no problem with that. But you can not ignore the only people
> who can help you. Your escalation from -ops to email was not necessary, as
> there was a user there fully able to help you, had you unignored him and
> answered his questions.
>
> And finally, why are we discussing this on foundation-l?
>
> --
> ST47
> Administrator, en.wikipedia
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