[Foundation-l] Language Prevention Committee created

[teun spaans]

dear Gerard,

you defend this policy as a requirement for the existence of a wikipedia.
The fact that wikis left the incubator without them, show sthe argument is
false.

Though this has been pinted out, you keep repeating "it is a mess" and such
statements without providing any examples which support your statements.

Please try to understand that people are questioning the validity of the
rule, instead of just repeating with other words what you have already said
thrice or mroe.

i wish you health and happiness,
teun spaans

On 3/27/07, GerardM <gerard.meijssen at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> Hoi,
> What is required is that some localisation has to have happened. It does
> not
> say full localisation. At this moment it is not possible to localise in
> the
> first place. The notion that a policy should be changed because there is a
> current stumbling block is silly.
>
> Get a friendly developer to create some message files. Be part of the
> solution.
>
> Thanks,
>     GerardM
>
> On 3/27/07, Mark Williamson <node.ue at gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> > Well, yes, but the policy is written partly by you.
> >
> > You speak about the policy as if it's written in stone and as if
> > criticism of it is illogical because it cannot or will not ever be
> > changed.
> >
> > Please read the last 10 messages on this thread. The consensus so far
> > _in this thread_ seems to be that it is illogical to require full
> > translation of MediaWiki messages before allowing a new Wikipedia to
> > be created.
> >
> > Then please read the title of this thread, and note that it was posted
> > by Arbeo, who is a very respectable person.
> >
> > Mark
> >
> > On 27/03/07, GerardM <gerard.meijssen at gmail.com> wrote:
> > > Hoi,
> > > The new policy does not deal with the mess that exists as a
> consequence
> > of
> > > not having this policy in the past. Mark's argument is based on things
> > that
> > > happened before the policy came into effect.
> > >
> > > Solving the mess is what we do want to address .. so far there have
> been
> > two
> > > languages provided with their initial messages in MediaWiki... We are
> > > working on a solution for all issues but it does take a lot of work.
> For
> > one
> > > of the pieces of the puzzle we have been told to wait until Brion has
> > rolled
> > > out single login. We have explicitly asked for some priority because
> > this is
> > > an important issue to us. I have had information from Brion and from
> > within
> > > the board of trustees that our issues do not have priority.
> > >
> > > As it does not have priority for the WMF, we are in a state of limbo
> > with
> > > many of these issues. New languages do not have any priority. I would
> > like
> > > to see that the support of languages in MediaWiki does have priority.
> > > Thanks,
> > >      GerardM
> > >
> > > On 3/27/07, Andre Engels <andreengels at gmail.com> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > 2007/3/27, GerardM <gerard.meijssen at gmail.com>:
> > > > >
> > > > > Hoi,
> > > > > The reason why they did not have translated interfaces is because
> > nobody
> > > > > bothered to set up the message files. The accepted policy of the
> > > > language
> > > > > committee requires them.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > What is being questioned here is the validity of this policy. Erik
> > stated
> > > > that if you cannot get someone to be bothered to set up the message
> > files,
> > > > it is reasonable to expect you cannot setup an encyclopedia either.
> > Mark
> > > > now
> > > > answers that it has been done a few times. So that removes one
> > argument.
> > > > Apparently, now the reason that it is policy is that the committee
> has
> > > > decided it is. Which is a rather lame reason in an open organization
> > as
> > > > the
> > > > Wikimedia foundation is (I think) hoping to be.
> > > >
> > > > --
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