[Foundation-l] Censorship: Speedy deletion of porn articles

Yonatan Horan yonatanh at gmail.com
Thu Mar 8 21:23:59 UTC 2007

I strongly resent your reply. It seems like you have some similar issues
with Pokemon articles and that's the reason you lashed out the way you did.
The reason I raised this issue on this mailing list is not because of some
misplaced sense of outrage. The incident I was talking about took place two
months ago and the only reason I mentioned it was to fully disclose any
relevant information so other people don't come on here later on and say
that the only reason I'm bringing this issue to the attention of others is
due to a vendetta against the Hebrew Wikipedia or something of the sort.
This isn't about me trying to provoke anything. It's about a certain group
of admins ignoring the fact that speedy deletion of porn articles was never
passed as a policy on hewp (and there is more than one sysop who can attest
to this). As I said previously, I don't have any particular interest in porn
and the fact that I've never edited an article that has anything to do with
this topic on the english wikipedia supports that. Ron Jeremy and Jenna
Jameson are both notable enough to have their own article on any wikipedia,
whether it be English, Hebrew or Malaysian. Attempts have been made to
resolve this issue "in-house" have failed, otherwise I wouldn't have posted
it to this mailing list. I can't find the specific meta page at the moment
but it isn't English Wikipedia only policy that wikipedia isn't censored. If
the german wikipedia decided to delete all articles regarding Nazi Germany,
etc. would you have reacted the same way? Or maybe if the Chinese Wikipedia
decided to ban all articles on the issue of democracy? I hope you rethink
your response and maybe try not to treat me as a troll when I really am not


On 3/8/07, GerardM <gerard.meijssen at gmail.com> wrote:
> Hoi,
> When you think that people are interested in what can be perceived as a
> provocation, you are wrong. What makes you think that details about porn
> is
> of sufficient relevance to warrant an article? You have to appreciate that
> some Wikipedias are quite happy to even disallow articles about Pokomon
> characters. Now Pokomon creatures are much more educational. They are the
> staple diet of our youth.
> Danny is a WMF employee, I believe he has more important things to do than
> to indulge your misplaced sense of outrage.
> Thanks,
>    GerardM
> On 3/8/07, Yonatan Horan <yonatanh at gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> > Hi,
> >
> > It has recently (about two months ago) come to my attention that
> articles
> > on
> > the Hebrew Wikipedia are speedy deleted. I translated the Jenna Jameson
> > article from the English Wikipedia and it was very quickly speedy
> deleted
> > and I was indefinitely blocked due to being a sockpuppet of some guy (of
> > course no checkuser request was done). By the way, I don't particularly
> > like
> > porn articles or anything of the sort; in fact, I don't believe I've
> ever
> > edited a porn article on the enwp which I'm very active on. After a few
> > days
> > (during which I complained on Danny's enwp talk page and thus got the
> > attention of a Hebrew Wikipedia admin and later spoke on the phone with
> > another admin from hewp) I was unblocked. I'm guessing there have
> probably
> > been other people who just gave up after they were banned and didn't
> > return.
> >
> > The situation is basically that if a user who isn't well-known on the
> hewp
> > (someone outside of a group of about 100 users) creates such an article
> he
> > will probably be perm-banned and if anyone else does so, the article
> will
> > probably just be speedy deleted. No rule has been passed on the Hebrew
> > Wikipedia regarding this and even if it had been passed, it would be in
> > violation of WMF (?) guidelines as Wikipedia is not censored. Some claim
> > that a rule has been passed but many admins disagree with this. The
> "vote"
> > was passed about two years ago and had 10-20 participants. In addition
> to
> > this, the vote came at a time when the Hebrew Wikipedia was repeatedly
> > vandalized by a certain user and many of the voters supposedly for the
> > banning of porn articles referred only to this specific case (this is
> > supported by their comments on the page).
> >
> > By the way, just so nobody corrects me, on the Hebrew Wikipedia *there
> are
> > votes* since consensus is hardly ever reached and the total needed to
> pass
> > a
> > vote is a ridiculous 55%. Anyway, despite all the above, a few admins
> have
> > said that they will speedy delete any porn articles created on the
> Hebrew
> > Wikipedia. Currently there are a few porn articles which are about the
> > movie
> > Deep Throat and two other articles that I don't recall at the moment.
> This
> > is a foundation issue because the situation right now is effectively
> > censorship of articles that some people feel do not have a place on the
> > wikipedia. I know I will probably have those who disagree with me be
> > notified of this discussion at some point at which point the slandering
> > will
> > begin and I will be called a "snitch" and possibly other more colorful
> > terms
> > so I ask ahead of time for this discussion to remain civil. Although I
> > hate
> > to burden Danny, who probably has a lot of more important things to do,
> he
> > is the only one who speaks both Hebrew and English and could take care
> of
> > this issue since he is obviously a person trusted by most. Anyway I
> think
> > I've written more than enough on an issue that should be pretty
> > straightforward, that is, that wikipedia is not censored.
> >
> > Thanks,
> > Yonatan
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