[Foundation-l] Will the Board accept the election result?

[Dan Rosenthal]

Gerard: I'm asking you to provide it, not them.

-Dan
On Jul 7, 2007, at 4:58 PM, GerardM wrote:

> Hoi,
> After several attempts to get Danny's attention I have gone to the  
> people
> who were organisationally in a senior position to Danny. I have  
> skyped and
> e-mailed about this issue. There is a sufficient paper trail. This  
> paper
> trail should be available within the WMF itself. That should  
> suffice as
> "evidence".
> Thanks,
>      Gerard
>
> On 7/7/07, Dan Rosenthal <swatjester at gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> As I stated in my prior email, Gerard, I was pointing out to...cbrown
>> I believe it is, what the comments were about and where they likely
>> came from.
>>
>> Gerard: I used these comments from your blog:
>>
>> "So I agree with our "drama queen"; the board can repudiate results
>> it does not like. I am known to be of the opinion that Danny should
>> not be a candidate in the first place as his behaviour makes it quite
>> clear to me that he his hostility towards other board members. Also
>> given the statutes of the WMF when Danny were to be elected, he can
>> be removed when my misgivings about him prove to be correct."
>>
>> Danny does not have to answer your question. Certainly because he did
>> not answer your question, is not grounds for him to be repudiated.
>> It's grounds for you and possibly others not to vote for him.
>>
>> You asked "Why does Danny stand for election." I think it to be
>> obviously answered multiple times: He believes he can make a change
>> (my words, not his). You've spent all this time demanding that he not
>> stand....on the "questions" page no less (and in the edit you did not
>> even ask a single question, only made demands). That, combined with
>> your blog posting that the board may repudiate any results that they
>> don't like (which I likewise, along with you, agree with Kelly Martin
>> about), implies very strongly that you believe that were he to be
>> elected he should be barred from the board.
>>
>> So Gerard, I challenge your statement that you have asked him many
>> times: I think he has given many answers: he is campaigning for
>> fiduciary responsibility, he believes he can make changes, etc.
>> (again, my words not his).
>>
>> Gerard, you say he's made unfounded accusations against several board
>> members. What about your accusation here?:
>> "I have had dealings with Danny about possible potential donations to
>> the Wikimedia Foundation. These
>> donations did not happen because Danny did not bother to do his job.
>> He did
>> not even contact me when he was told to do so."
>>
>> Where is the evidence about that?
>>
>> I agree with you, I think it's bad form for a candidate to speak
>> against standing board members in the way that Danny did. I also
>> think it's just as bad for a non-candidate to do the same thing to
>> that candidate.
>>
>>
>> -Dan
>>
>> On Jul 7, 2007, at 2:23 AM, GerardM wrote:
>>
>>> Hoi,
>>> Please read what I wrote, I asked Danny Wool to finally answer the
>>> question
>>> that the refuses to face, the question is and was: Why do you think
>>> that it
>>> is appropriate for you to stand.
>>>
>>> I also wrote that I agreed with a point made by Kelly Martin, that
>>> it is the
>>> board that accepts the election results.
>>>
>>> There is nothing new here and it certainly does not say that the  
>>> board
>>> should or will repudiate the election.
>>>
>>> With the process of the election changed as a result of the  
>>> action of
>>> Gregory Maxwell, there is ROOM to ask Danny AGAIN why he does
>>> stand. There
>>> are great arguments why he should not stand. The best arguments are
>>> the ones
>>> that he provides himself, his opinions indicate that he is not
>>> likely to be
>>> a cooperative member when elected. When he resigned from his
>>> position as an
>>> employee, he did not provide any reasons.
>>>
>>> So to recapitulate:
>>>
>>>    - Kelly Martin originally suggested that the board has the
>>> option to
>>>    use the results as it likes, she is correct
>>>    - Danny Wool has been invited several times to answer the
>>> question why
>>>    it is a good thing for him to stand, a question that he refuses
>>> to answer
>>>    - Given that the process of the election has changed, there is
>>> again
>>>    room to ask this question
>>>    - Please read carefully because you assume that I wrote
>>> something that
>>>    I did not.
>>>
>>> Thanks,
>>>     GerardM
>>>
>>> http://nonbovine-ruminations.blogspot.com/2007/07/election-drama-
>>> continues.html
>>>
>>> On 7/7/07, Dan Rosenthal <swatjester at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> No. It's likely based on GerardM's comments on his blog, here:
>>>> http://
>>>> ultimategerardm.blogspot.com/2007/07/who-cares-about- 
>>>> process.html in
>>>> which he suggests that the board should repudiate the results if
>>>> Danny is elected.
>>>>
>>>> -Dan
>>>> On Jul 6, 2007, at 11:30 PM, Casey Brown wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> I'm hoping that was a joke.
>>>>>
>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>> From: foundation-l-bounces at lists.wikimedia.org
>>>>> [mailto:foundation-l-bounces at lists.wikimedia.org] On Behalf Of
>>>>> David Gerard
>>>>> Sent: Friday, July 06, 2007 11:28 PM
>>>>> To: Wikimedia Foundation Mailing List
>>>>> Subject: [Foundation-l] Will the Board accept the election result?
>>>>>
>>>>> What are the chances of the Board ignoring the election result  
>>>>> if it
>>>>> doesn't like it?
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> - d.
>>>>>
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