[Foundation-l] Board meeting in Rotterdam later this week

senpai wikisenpai at gmail.com
Mon Jan 15 08:19:48 UTC 2007

The problem is, that, some people here in ML, said that we can't use not 
free images. A picture that is PD only in the italian territory is, for some 
persons that have writed here, not free. The only thing that is important to 
me is the equity by the different language projects. If en.wiki can use the 
fair use images (that are not free) we must can use the "authorized" images 
and the CC-NC.


----- Original Message -----
From: "Ray Saintonge" <saintonge a telus.net>
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Sent: Monday, January 15, 2007 2:23 AM
Subject: Re: [Foundation-l] Board meeting in Rotterdam later this week

> senpai wrote:
>>May be they cant' be so much thing in other country... but they can be in
>>italy. I don't know if u know well or not the basics rules of procedural
>>penal "civil law" system. In genral... if an italian people upload some
>>images (like the one that u have take for the example) on commons, and 
>>images must have an authorization, is not important if the commons servers
>>are in florida or in italy or in another country, the italian people is
>>under the italian penal law. Idem if an american people upload that images
>>on commons and an italian people use this images.... U can't upload 
>>with "PD" or CC-by (for example), on commons if not in all states u can 
>>that materials. Commons, for that reason, had deleted all images that was
>>tagged with "PD-Italy"... than... wich is the difference ?
> Commons is a different project, and there is some sense to their
> stricter rules.  Unless I misunderstand something "PD-Italy" means that
> it is in the public domain in Italy.  (Has Italy accepted for copyrights
> to last for life + 70 years, like the rest of the EU, or is it still
> life + 50?)  If it is in the public domain in Italy I don't see why you
> can't just upload it directly to it:wp instead of putting it into
> commons.  If Italian law does not allow you to photograph a painting by
> Botticelli in the museum in Florence this has nothing to do with
> copyright, but is something else.
>>For other thing... i qoute Snowdog, if u want a free wikipedia, REALLY
>>free... ok  u have to abandon the fair use, and we will abandon all not 
> I think that many people will not accept that because they see it as
> some kind of blackmail.  What the Italian language project does, and
> what the English project does have nothing to do with each other.  In
> Mexico copyrights last for 100 years after a person's death.  Keeping
> everyone back because one country has such a longer term makes no sense.
> Ec
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