[Foundation-l] precisions about the recent WMF "fair use" decision

David Strauss david at fourkitchens.com
Mon Feb 12 14:28:16 UTC 2007

geni wrote:
> On 2/12/07, David Strauss <david at fourkitchens.com> wrote:
>> That's absurd. How does one go from "not changing to accommodate
>> restrictive laws from other countries is not U.S. centrism" to "we must
>> move our servers to Iran"?
> You want minimum restrictions with regard to copyright that is the
> correct course of action.
>> I'm arguing that we should weigh the advantages of accommodating foreign
>> restrictions
> Try again this time try not to think so americano centric
>> (further reach) with the disadvantages of changing the
>> content (esp. censorship). If we happen to decide that accommodating a
>> restriction isn't worth the changes to content, then we're still not
>> guilty of U.S. centrism. Accommodating Iran's requirements is clearly
>> out of the question.
> So not copyright on items produced outside Iran doesn't appeal? Well
> Ok then how about move commons to the UK? At least one type of item
> enters the public domain there well before ti does in the US. Sure it
> might be a good idea to win a Bridgeman Art Library v. Corel Corp case
> first but that should be doable.
>> U.S. centrism is borne of ignorance or willful exclusion. Neither is the
>> case here.
> Then try and think why when dealing with the option of moving the
> foundation to somewhere with the most liberal copyright laws on an
> international mailing list why using the term "foreign restrictions"
> isn't exactly ideal phrasing.

There's simply no way I can discuss this issue with you unless you're
willing to adopt a more holistic consideration of Wikipedia's needs.
Your arguments are trapped in the consideration of the *one* idea you
seem to support, which is restricting Wikipedia content to what may be
republished in *your* country.

Nowhere in my post did I mention copyright, yet you framed my argument
as if copyright were its only consideration. You straw-manned my
argument by ignoring aspects of the balance I proposed -- most notably
ignoring censorship -- that didn't fit nearly within your pet issue.

Finally, you invoked a false slippery slope by stating my argument leads
to hosting Wikipedia in Iran. Only your imaginary, straw-manned version
of my argument has that flaw.

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