[Foundation-l] Moderation and this list

Dan Rosenthal swatjester at gmail.com
Sat Dec 22 00:12:15 UTC 2007


There's a difference between putting people on moderation, and  
moderating the entire list. I support the former, no problem. I  
wholeheartedly oppose the latter. As for strawmen, I believe the real  
strawman is automatically equating moderation to "asking for  
civility": they are not the same thing. If we ask for civility and it  
is not responded to, we can then moderate individuals. That's only  
fair. To shoot first and ask questions later is what people criticize  
about "hardened administrators", whatever that means.

On Dec 21, 2007, at 1:00 PM, Dmcdevit wrote:

> Dan Rosenthal wrote:
>> Foundation-l, the mailing list nobody can edit for the encyclopedia
>> everyone can?
> I'm not sure what encyclopedia (or *cough* other Wikimedia project)
> you're editing, but all the ones I edit are /more/ moderated than this
> and other lists. In fact, I think that's what they gave you and I the
> admin buttons for.
>> If we're going to get on the topic of censoring mailing lists, we
>> should deal with Wiki-en-l first, THEN foundation-l.
> I'm sorry, but asking for civility and an end to mean-spirited or
> combative behavior is not the same as "censoring." I would expect a
> hardened administrator like you to be immune from such irrational  
> leaps
> of logic and not create these strawmen. There shouldn't even be a
> question here. There is a huge portion of the community that is  
> severely
> turned off to this list and other discussions at this level because of
> net-negative personalities that are tolerated, and we ought to try to
> fix that.
> Dominic
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