[Foundation-l] Welcome Sue !

[George Herbert]

The problem here is that the rock she's turning over is "Oh, look,
I've become controversial, and people want me out of the loop because
of that!  Isn't this a scandal?"

Kelly's claim is that this is an in-crowd cultish behavior.  It's also
interpretable as attention seeking drama.

There could be cultish behavior on internal lists (I am not on any
such list, so I haven't got any evidence either way).  But I find that
in general, people behave in private much like they behave in public,
but with moderately less restraint.


-george

On Dec 19, 2007 4:25 PM, Ben Yates <ben.louis.yates at gmail.com> wrote:
> Kelly is sensationalist, but she's sharp.  She has a rare combination
> of deep knowledge about wikipedia and a deep suspicion of everyone and
> everything (by contrast, the harshest wikipedia critics have
> traditionally been woefully misinformed about how the project works),
> which means she turns over rocks that other people don't.
>
> Frankly, I think insiders need to start displaying more humility.
> There's a bit of a PR crisis going on.  If kelly makes valid points in
> a needlessly abrasive way, nobody's going to win an argument against
> her by saying she's a troll.
>
>
> On Dec 19, 2007 4:57 PM, Nathan Awrich <nawrich at gmail.com> wrote:
> > If I had to decide which set of statements is more poisonous (and
> > pointless) I'd run with Kelly Martin's. Invective seems to be her
> > style, and I guess as she's found it hasn't been very productive in
> > achieving her goal (whatever that may be). On the other hand, she has
> > got all kinds of sources! Each post apparently has a whole set of
> > secret sources! (At least three this time, but maybe more?) Anonymous
> > sources, who also post to her blog anonymously... Was this the irony
> > she was referring to?
> >
> > On the other hand, regarding private lists - have you considered
> > making the community lists publically viewable but only allowing the
> > specific group of people you've identified to post? By community lists
> > I mean lists with contributors who aren't officially connected to or
> > bound by WMF. Internal communications, in keeping with the standard
> > corporate meaning, should include people internal to the actual
> > organizational structure who are bound by confidentiality agreements.
> >
> > Just in general terms, anything you say to a semi-public audience will
> > eventually leak - better to just address the public audience first,
> > and say only what you wouldn't mind everyone hearing. And when Kelly
> > comments, don't feed.
> >
> >
> > Nathan
> >
> >
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