[Foundation-l] What's wrong with CC-BY-SA?

Jussi-Ville Heiskanen cimonavaro at gmail.com
Sun Dec 2 16:23:49 UTC 2007

On 12/2/07, Florence Devouard <Anthere9 at yahoo.com> wrote:
> Jussi-Ville Heiskanen wrote:
> > On 12/2/07, Erik Moeller <erik at wikimedia.org> wrote:
> >> I think you're misinterpreting a bunch of social interactions that may
> >> have happened. The world isn't divided into the enemies and supporters
> >> of the Truly Good Free Culture Movement. CC's proponents aren't
> >> faceless bureaucrats. Larry Lessig, Joi Ito, Jimmy Wales (who is on
> >> the CC Board) and others all have their own unique and internally
> >> consistent views of how to change the world for the better.
> >>
> >> That doesn't mean these are your views, or mine. But recognizing them
> >> as valid interpretations of reality is the first step to extending the
> >> hand of friendship and working with others. I do believe that, in the
> >> vision of the people who run CC, responding to the people who are
> >> changing and challenging existing models of cultural production is key
> >> to doing their job well. That doesn't mean that they do not understand
> >> the reasoning of different communities, or the consequences of
> >> particular decisions.
> >>
> >> To work with CC means to engage them in a productive dialogue about
> >> the future of culture, not to shun them as untrustworthy or
> >> unprincipled. Unfortunately, in conflicts like this one, people like
> >> yourself often respond by taking an extreme position which is
> >> untenable and, ultimately, unsuccessful. The result is that you will
> >> not convince others of your beliefs, that you will in fact alienate
> >> those who would listen to you, that the "pragmatic" faction will
> >> strive to quickly execute theirs, and that the resulting outcome is
> >> not the best one possible.
> >>
> >> I want to invite you, Greg, to participate in creating the best
> >> possible outcome. That will _not_ be the one you _or_ I are currently
> >> thinking of. This is not about selling out your beliefs; it's about
> >> recognizing that the world out there is different from the world
> >> inside your head.
> >
> > Wonderful post, Erik; just wonderful.
> >
> > --
> > Jussi-Ville Heiskanen, ~ [[User:Cimon Avaro]]
> >
> Sarcastic ?


That above posting by Erik I thought was one of the
most thoughtful, if not *the* most thoughtful of posts
by Erik I have ever read on this or any other mailing
list. That is all I wanted to communicate. Seriously.

The sentiment that we need to move forward and in
coöperation, is really one we should all take to heart. What on
earth could I find to be sarcastic about in all that?


Sometimes I wonder...

Jussi-Ville Heiskanen, ~ [[User:Cimon Avaro]]

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