[Foundation-l] What's wrong with CC-BY-SA?

Jussi-Ville Heiskanen cimonavaro at gmail.com
Sun Dec 2 14:21:54 UTC 2007

On 12/2/07, Erik Moeller <erik at wikimedia.org> wrote:
> I think you're misinterpreting a bunch of social interactions that may
> have happened. The world isn't divided into the enemies and supporters
> of the Truly Good Free Culture Movement. CC's proponents aren't
> faceless bureaucrats. Larry Lessig, Joi Ito, Jimmy Wales (who is on
> the CC Board) and others all have their own unique and internally
> consistent views of how to change the world for the better.
> That doesn't mean these are your views, or mine. But recognizing them
> as valid interpretations of reality is the first step to extending the
> hand of friendship and working with others. I do believe that, in the
> vision of the people who run CC, responding to the people who are
> changing and challenging existing models of cultural production is key
> to doing their job well. That doesn't mean that they do not understand
> the reasoning of different communities, or the consequences of
> particular decisions.
> To work with CC means to engage them in a productive dialogue about
> the future of culture, not to shun them as untrustworthy or
> unprincipled. Unfortunately, in conflicts like this one, people like
> yourself often respond by taking an extreme position which is
> untenable and, ultimately, unsuccessful. The result is that you will
> not convince others of your beliefs, that you will in fact alienate
> those who would listen to you, that the "pragmatic" faction will
> strive to quickly execute theirs, and that the resulting outcome is
> not the best one possible.
> I want to invite you, Greg, to participate in creating the best
> possible outcome. That will _not_ be the one you _or_ I are currently
> thinking of. This is not about selling out your beliefs; it's about
> recognizing that the world out there is different from the world
> inside your head.

Wonderful post, Erik; just wonderful.

Jussi-Ville Heiskanen, ~ [[User:Cimon Avaro]]

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