[Foundation-l] Alternative to paypal

Debbie Garside debbie at ictmarketing.co.uk
Thu Aug 16 11:26:51 UTC 2007

I think this could be a very good option to explore.  Certainly, the
marketing aspect for Google in getting this new service up and running is
worth a donation per transaction to WMF.


From: GerardM [mailto:gerard.meijssen at gmail.com] 
Sent: 16 August 2007 12:16
To: debbie at ictmarketing.co.uk; Wikimedia Foundation Mailing List
Subject: Re: [Foundation-l] Alternative to paypal

How about suggesting to Google to pay the same amount of money on a certain
day or something for the money we receive through Google Checkout ? They can
deduct it either as a charitable donation or as money spend on marketing. 

On 8/16/07, Debbie Garside <debbie at ictmarketing.co.uk> wrote: 


I am coming into this discussion rather late and am, as usual, reading
emails backwards :-) Apologies if my comments have already been covered.

Perhaps it would be an option to allow a number of different ways to donate.

For instance IF Google truly is free (financially - I take on board your
other comments on "free" and agree completely) there could be a note on the
donor page saying " Please use the payment option that best suits you as a 
donor.  If Google payments are used there is no financial cost to WMF" and
"If Paypal is used there is a financial cost to WMF of £?/% per

Personally, I have a Paypal account and would find it too onerous a task to 
setup a Google account - especially if I could not use it with Amazon.



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> [mailto:foundation-l-bounces at lists.wikimedia.org] On Behalf
> Of Delphine Ménard
> Sent: 16 August 2007 11:36
> To: Wikimedia Foundation Mailing List 
> Subject: Re: [Foundation-l] Alternative to paypal
> On 8/16/07, GerardM <gerard.meijssen at gmail.com> wrote:
> > In 2007 using the financial collection system of Google is free. 
> > Period
> What I really appreciate in your mailing list particiaptions,
> Gerard, is the way you do take other people's posts into
> consideration.
> > The money collected in this way in 2007 through Google will 
> not cost
> > us money. Google has indicated in the past that they are
> happy to help
> > the Wikimedia Foundation, this gives us the opportunity to ask for
> > 2008 if they can do something about the cost of the money 
> given to the
> > WMF through Google Checkout. It isa really good marketing tool for
> > Google to get the attention of the general public for their payment
> > system; the trick is to get people to use it in the first place. 
> Right. Go back to my previous post and let me interpret
> Brad's remark a little more broadly.
> Costs are not *always* financial. Tell you what, I just
> checked out Google checkout. I am French, I live in Germany. 
> ie. I want my interface in French, with German banking
> possibilities and please Terms of Service in a language I
> understand for a country I live in.
> Tough luck, none of that available. So much for Google 
> checkout for me. And you know what? It doesn't seem to work
> with Amazon, which is the only online store I actually visit.
> So Why should I bother initiating my Google checkout account
> when I won't ever use it and I already have a paypal one? 
> I find it to be a very narrow approach to focus on the fact
> that Google checkout costs "us" (ie. Wikimedia) nothing.
> Again, re-read my post. Collecting money might have financial 
> costs, but we need to be well aware of the cultural and
> practical costs. What if Google checkout costs us nothing but
> donations go down by 50% because nobody wants to use it?
> I am not saying that we shouldn't try, I am saying that we 
> should be very aware of the *real* costs behind one or the
> other solution. It's not you and I giving the money, or if it
> is, we represent a very very small percentage of the
> donations. *We* can adapt to the "best" 
> solution for Wikimedia. Can/will everyone?
> What you call a "trick" I call lack of concern for the people
> who allow our projects to exist further. We should adapt to
> them, not them to us, even if it's good to mention where 
> their donation will have the strongest impact.
> Delphine
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