[Foundation-l] To all non latin wikis please start blocking latin wiki accounts
Walter van Kalken
walter at vankalken.net
Fri Dec 22 22:48:41 UTC 2006
I would agree that (automatic or not) transliteration on someone's*
userpage, *so people would approximately know how to pronounce someone's
name* *would be a good idea yes. Even though it would be difficult. It
is better to have something half-working than nothing in this case.
I find the given arguments for blocking extremely weak. As Andre Engels
has said about xxth times in these threads just check someone's edits on
en: and on other wiki's. Someone should be blocked based on that (or not
blocked) not on a name (whether incomprehensible or not). And people
should wake up. With globalisation people will see more and more signs
and languages they cannot comprehend entering their own neighbourhoods
whether they like it or not.
I am seeing firsthand how more and more latin and japanese scripts based
signage influences the Thai community were I life.
I do believe most of these reactions in en: are based on dormant
xenophebia, prejudice and discrimination that in my experience is inside
everybody, also myself as I sometimes note afterwards, even though I try
to classify people in just 3 groups. People I like, people I do not like
and people I do not know what to make off.
Waerth
>Hi Walter,
>
>I don't think it's about hatred and racism so much, but rather because
>people aren't comfortable with someone with a name they can't comprehend.
>Though I don't believe we should block people because of said
>incomprehensible names. I still think the whole automatic transliteration is
>a good idea; even if it doesn't work perfectly it still gives people an idea
>of what's going on.
>
>On 12/22/06, Walter van Kalken <walter at vankalken.net> wrote:
>
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>>>* Don't disrupt Wikipedia to prove a point
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>>Sometimes it is extremely usefull to disrupt something to get somewhere.
>>Especially when the mechanism clogs up. I feel that whit such
>>discrimination as is happening on en: and with random blocking just
>>based on names some people need to wakened. What is next you are going
>>to block everyone who is Dutch?
>>
>>
>>
>>>Let me myself add something: You're hate for anglosaxon related
>>>subjects is disconcerning.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>I really believe you need to reread an earlier mail I send about my
>>reasons. I will inform my Ozzy, Kiwi Irish, English and American friends
>>here that I have a huge hate for anglosaxon related subjects. They will
>>have a good laugh with me about it. I am sure.
>>
>>
>>
>>>Your prejudgment prevents any constructive discussion.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>I am extremely prejudiced were any form of discrimination is concerned
>>yes. I have been on the receiving end of it far to many times in my
>>life. In Surinam because I was the only white one in class. From when I
>>was young because I am fat. And here in Thailand on occasions because I
>>am a foreigner. So please o please do not come to me about prejudgement.
>>
>>
>>
>>>You have just proven yourself to be immature and moreover a hypocrite.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>Thx you forgot my other positives: Stubborn, rude and not afraid to piss
>>someone off. If you are looking for a politically correct person to talk
>>with who will talk roses in your face but who will use thorns when
>>talking behind your back that is not who I am, go to someone else.
>>
>>
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>>>Please notice that your comments are in no way helpful, and prevents any
>>>
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>>further discussion.
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>>>
>>Nor are the actions on the en.wikipedia. Blocking people because they
>>are different is not very conductive and creates hatred.
>>
>>Waerth
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>>>Bryan
>>>
>>>On 12/22/06, Walter van Kalken <walter at vankalken.net> wrote:
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>>>>After Gregory's action I want to ask all wiki's who use non-latin
>>>>languages as their standard to start blocking all latin character user
>>>>accounts and demand they use accountnames in your script, especially
>>>>those of en.wikipedians actively supporting this en: policy.
>>>>
>>>>Maybe this way they will understand on en: that there action is
>>>>extremely biased and very very bad as they seem to insist to keep
>>>>blocking good users like admins from other wiki's simply because people
>>>>want to use their REAL NAME.
>>>>
>>>>Start with Gregory's account btw.
>>>>
>>>>Waerth
>>>>
>>>>
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>>>>
>>>>>Gregory Maxwell schreef:
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>>>>>>On 12/22/06, Birgitte SB <birgitte_sb at yahoo.com> wrote:
>>>>>>
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>>>>>>>The en.WP Username policy has been changed.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Username&curid=168684&diff=95920637&oldid=95900078
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>>>>>>Unfortunatly, it was changed without any valid basis.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>It is not acceptable to remove longstanding policy simply because some
>>>>>>people on a mailing list decided to speculate randomly and accuse
>>>>>>enwiki of "ethnocentricism" without substantiation.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>As a result I've reverted the change and contributed some suggestions
>>>>>>to the talk page.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>I agree that the policy should be *improved* to address the real
>>>>>>concerns brought up, and to be more friendly to users who work across
>>>>>>many languages. Simply removing the section does not, however,
>>>>>>address the very real issues which caused the creation of the policy
>>>>>>in the first place.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
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>>>>>>
>>>>>Hoi,
>>>>>Some people congratulated me with the outcome of this affair. My
>>>>>reaction was that it did not feel like a victory because I feel bruised
>>>>>by the experience. Having said this, your suggestion that there has
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>been
>>
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>>>>>no substantiation about the grievance that was put forward is seriously
>>>>>wrong. The notion that it is up to you to revert this change continues
>>>>>to make this affair even more painful. Simply reverting this change and
>>>>>thereby denying that many of the reasons why this policy was put in
>>>>>place is seriously wrong.
>>>>>
>>>>>I have to say I am increasingly upset by this affair.
>>>>>
>>>>>Thanks,
>>>>> GerardM
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