[Foundation-l] Re: foundation-l Digest, Vol 18, Issue 4

Sat Sep 3 12:38:41 UTC 2005

Félicitations!

The Wikipedia deserves it!

Steve

On 9/3/05, foundation-l-request at wikimedia.org <
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> 1. RE: Re: We made it !!!!!! (valdelli at bluemail.ch)
> 2. Re: Re: We made it !!!!!! DVD (Walter van Kalken)
> 3. Re: We made it !!!!!! (Ashar Voultoiz)
> 4. Re: We made it !!!!!! (Dariusz Siedlecki)
> 5. Re: We made it !!!!!! (Jean-Baptiste Soufron)
> 6. Re: Re: We made it !!!!!! (Delphine M?nard)
> 7. Re: We made it !!!!!! (Przykuta)
> 8. Re: We made it !!!!!! (Lars Aronsson)
> 9. Re: We made it !!!!!! (Brion Vibber)
> 10. Re: We made it !!!!!! (Anthere)
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> Message: 1
> Date: Fri, 2 Sep 2005 22:03:45 +0200
> From: valdelli at bluemail.ch
> Subject: RE: [Foundation-l] Re: We made it !!!!!!
> To: "Wikimedia Foundation Mailing List" <foundation-l at wikimedia.org>
> Message-ID: <4314D6CF00017832 at mssbzhb-int.msg.bluewin.ch>
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> Yes, I know. This is the good moment (also here in Swiss and in Italy), 
> but
> the newspapers always are finding news... when the news are not new, this
> the moment to kill the old news :)
> 
> Finally, I think that bad moments will follow. This is the moment to 
> contact
> the journalists who write these articles and to offer the availability for
> new informations. This is the moment to construct references and links to
> manage the next steps.
> 
> Ilario
> 
> >-- Messaggio originale --
> >To: foundation-l at wikimedia.org
> >From: Anthere <anthere9 at yahoo.com>
> >Date: Fri, 02 Sep 2005 21:39:01 +0200
> >Subject: [Foundation-l] Re: We made it !!!!!!
> >Reply-To: Wikimedia Foundation Mailing List <foundation-l at wikimedia.org>
> >
> >
> >valdelli at bluemail.ch wrote:
> >> Yes, for the French people. :)
> >>
> >> Ilario
> >
> >No. Not really. Not only for french people. Each time we have a major
> >media display in a country, the *whole* project directly or indirectly
> >benefit from it.
> >
> >I have been on Wikipedia for now 3 years and a half, and for all this
> >time, I have been dreaming on us having an article in Le Monde. We had
> >once a tiny little report in the cultural section. Very little impact.
> >But here, we are featured on first page.
> >
> >The impact of this is likely to be huge, because it means a sort of
> >recognition. In particular we can expect
> >1) more fear from all those we are currently in competition with, so
> >possibly more attacks
> >2) but mostly more interest from potential partners, be it firms,
> >organisations, associations, academics etc...
> >
> >The implications might be various. Possibly an impact on the publication
> >
> >of a DVD (which might be interesting for more than just french people).
> 
> >Possibly a partnership for publication of wikireaders (and similarly,
> >why would we limit that to french language ?). Possibly a lever to
> >negociate with organisations such as ESA, which would benefit all of us.
> >And quite possibly as well, more donations, since we are currently in
> >the middle of a fund drive (more money will benefit all of us).
> >
> >We are together in this Ilario. Not just french, or just italian ;-)
> >
> >ant
> >
> >
> >>>We are in first page of Le Monde, with several pages included inside.
> >>>Le Monde is the *first* newspaper in France. This is an amazing day.
> >>>
> >
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> Message: 2
> Date: Sat, 03 Sep 2005 03:07:46 +0700
> From: Walter van Kalken <walter at vankalken.net>
> Subject: Re: [Foundation-l] Re: We made it !!!!!! DVD
> To: Wikimedia Foundation Mailing List <foundation-l at wikimedia.org>
> Message-ID: <4318B112.8010604 at vankalken.net>
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> 
> >
> > The implications might be various. Possibly an impact on the
> > publication of a DVD (which might be interesting for more than just
> > french people).
> 
> On a DVD my father and a bussinessparter for his have been experimenting
> with a DVD edition for the nl.wikipedia. They are interested in a recent
> dump. Once they figure out all technicalities, we want to talk with the
> board about it.
> 
> Waerth/Walter
> 
> 
> ------------------------------
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> Message: 3
> Date: Fri, 02 Sep 2005 22:56:21 +0200
> From: Ashar Voultoiz <hashar at altern.org>
> Subject: [Foundation-l] Re: We made it !!!!!!
> To: foundation-l at wikimedia.org
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> Anthere wrote:
> > We are in first page of Le Monde, with several pages included inside.
> > Le Monde is the *first* newspaper in France. This is an amazing day.
> >
> > http://www.lemonde.fr/
> >
> > Anthere
> 
> Is that only on the website or also on "la une" of the paper version ?
> 
> --
> Ashar Voultoiz - WP++++
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Hashar
> http://www.livejournal.com/community/wikitech/
> IM: hashar at jabber.org ICQ: 15325080
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> Message: 4
> Date: Fri, 2 Sep 2005 23:14:17 +0200
> From: Dariusz Siedlecki <datrio at gmail.com>
> Subject: Re: [Foundation-l] We made it !!!!!!
> To: Wikimedia Foundation Mailing List <foundation-l at wikimedia.org>
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> 2005/9/2, Anthere <anthere9(at)yahoo.com>:
> > We are in first page of Le Monde, with several pages included inside.
> > Le Monde is the *first* newspaper in France. This is an amazing day.
> 
> Congratulations on behalf of the Polish Wikipedia (which will hit 100k
> articles this month ;).
> 
> > Anthere
> 
> --
> Pozdrawiam,
> Dariusz "Datrio" Siedlecki
> 
> 
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> Message: 5
> Date: Sat, 03 Sep 2005 01:43:56 +0200
> From: Jean-Baptiste Soufron <jbsoufron at gmail.com>
> Subject: Re: [Foundation-l] We made it !!!!!!
> To: Wikimedia Foundation Mailing List <foundation-l at wikimedia.org>
> Message-ID: <4318E3BC.4060903 at gmail.com>
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> 
> Vive la fête !
> 
> Anthere a écrit :
> > We are in first page of Le Monde, with several pages included inside.
> > Le Monde is the *first* newspaper in France. This is an amazing day.
> >
> > http://www.lemonde.fr/
> >
> > Anthere
> >
> > _______________________________________________
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> 
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> Message: 6
> Date: Sat, 3 Sep 2005 01:48:41 +0200
> From: Delphine M?nard <notafishz at gmail.com>
> Subject: Re: [Foundation-l] Re: We made it !!!!!!
> To: Wikimedia Foundation Mailing List <foundation-l at wikimedia.org>
> Message-ID: <453b6e5050902164841dc8189 at mail.gmail.com>
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> On 9/2/05, Ashar Voultoiz <hashar at altern.org> wrote:
> > > We are in first page of Le Monde, with several pages included inside.
> > > Le Monde is the *first* newspaper in France. This is an amazing day.
> 
> > Is that only on the website or also on "la une" of the paper version ?
> 
> Also the paper version... today's (3rd September) edition.
> 
> Which is...even more than great :D
> 
> Just to make things clear, Le Monde is not the *biggest* newspaper in
> France, as it prints only around 350000 ex a day, far from the first
> daily newspaper in France "Ouest France" (more than a million) but in
> terms of recognition, it is definitely one of the greatest. Making it
> to the first page of Le Monde is *big*.
> 
> Delphine
> --
> ~notafish
> 
> 
> ------------------------------
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> Message: 7
> Date: Sat, 3 Sep 2005 09:07:35 +0200
> From: Przykuta <przykuta at o2.pl>
> Subject: Re: [Foundation-l] We made it !!!!!!
> To: Wikimedia Foundation Mailing List <foundation-l at wikimedia.org>
> Message-ID: <20050903070735.0A801543CC at rekin17.go2.pl>
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> 
> 
> 
> > We are in first page of Le Monde, with several pages included inside.
> > Le Monde is the *first* newspaper in France. This is an amazing day.
> >
> > http://www.lemonde.fr/
> >
> > Anthere
> >
> It's nice :)
> 
> 
> 
> ------------------------------
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> Message: 8
> Date: Sat, 3 Sep 2005 11:40:15 +0200 (CEST)
> From: Lars Aronsson <lars at aronsson.se>
> Subject: Re: [Foundation-l] We made it !!!!!!
> To: Wikimedia Foundation Mailing List <foundation-l at wikimedia.org>
> Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.61.0509031136480.25292 at sara.aronsson.se>
> Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII
> 
> Anthere wrote:
> > We are in first page of Le Monde, with several pages included inside.
> > Le Monde is the *first* newspaper in France. This is an amazing day.
> > http://www.lemonde.fr/
> 
> Congratulations to the media attention! However, that article
> refers to http://wikipedia.fr/ and the website at this URL opens a
> frameset which includes fr.wikipedia.org <http://fr.wikipedia.org>. This 
> has the
> unfortunate effect that the web browser's address field says
> http://wikipedia.fr/ even when I go to other articles, making it
> harder to find a bookmarkable URL for pages. It would be easy
> enough for fr.wikipedia.org <http://fr.wikipedia.org> to contain some 
> JavaScript that
> escapes the enclosing frameset, but it would be better to change
> wikipedia.fr <http://wikipedia.fr> into a redirect instead of this evil 
> frameset.
> 
> 
> --
> Lars Aronsson (lars at aronsson.se)
> Aronsson Datateknik - http://aronsson.se
> 
> 
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> Message: 9
> Date: Sat, 03 Sep 2005 03:16:49 -0700
> From: Brion Vibber <brion at pobox.com>
> Subject: Re: [Foundation-l] We made it !!!!!!
> To: Wikimedia Foundation Mailing List <foundation-l at wikimedia.org>
> Message-ID: <43197811.1070005 at pobox.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"
> 
> Lars Aronsson wrote:
> > Congratulations to the media attention! However, that article
> > refers to http://wikipedia.fr/ and the website at this URL opens a
> > frameset which includes fr.wikipedia.org <http://fr.wikipedia.org>. This 
> has the
> > unfortunate effect that the web browser's address field says
> > http://wikipedia.fr/ even when I go to other articles, making it
> > harder to find a bookmarkable URL for pages. It would be easy
> > enough for fr.wikipedia.org <http://fr.wikipedia.org> to contain some 
> JavaScript that
> > escapes the enclosing frameset,
> 
> We do have such JavaScript, and it seems to work fine there in breaking
> out so fr.wikipedia.org <http://fr.wikipedia.org> reaches the top-level. 
> (Tested Safari 2.0.1)
> 
> > but it would be better to change
> > wikipedia.fr <http://wikipedia.fr> into a redirect instead of this evil 
> frameset.
> 
> Do we own or control it?
> 
> -- brion vibber (brion @ pobox.com <http://pobox.com>)
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> Message: 10
> Date: Sat, 03 Sep 2005 12:23:58 +0200
> From: Anthere <anthere9 at yahoo.com>
> Subject: [Foundation-l] Re: We made it !!!!!!
> To: foundation-l at wikimedia.org
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> Brion Vibber wrote:
> 
> > Lars Aronsson wrote:
> >
> >> Congratulations to the media attention! However, that article
> >> refers to http://wikipedia.fr/ and the website at this URL opens a
> >> frameset which includes fr.wikipedia.org <http://fr.wikipedia.org>. 
> This has the
> >> unfortunate effect that the web browser's address field says
> >> http://wikipedia.fr/ even when I go to other articles, making it
> >> harder to find a bookmarkable URL for pages. It would be easy
> >> enough for fr.wikipedia.org <http://fr.wikipedia.org> to contain some 
> JavaScript that
> >> escapes the enclosing frameset,
> >
> >
> > We do have such JavaScript, and it seems to work fine there in breaking
> > out so fr.wikipedia.org <http://fr.wikipedia.org> reaches the top-level. 
> (Tested Safari 2.0.1)
> >
> >> but it would be better to change
> >> wikipedia.fr <http://wikipedia.fr> into a redirect instead of this evil 
> frameset.
> >
> >
> > Do we own or control it?
> >
> > -- brion vibber (brion @ pobox.com <http://pobox.com>)
> 
> 
> Not the Foundation.
> 
> 
> A french a**h*** bought it last fall when we first started to be
> featured in the press. We know who he is. We had mail exchanges with him
> already to try to get it back.
> 
> 
> For now, he redirects to us, with a bad title and some frame issues
> editors frequently complain about, but AT LEAST he redirects to us
> rather than making cash with a mirror or anything else. This could be
> worse...(see http://wikipedia.ru/)
> 
> We now have valid trademarks. So the Foundation could normally get the
> domain back by going legal. I think we'll do if he starts being really a
> problem. For now, stand by...
> 
> 
> Ant
> 
> 
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\Steve