[Foundation-l] Incubator Wiki for New Wikimedia Projects (was Vote to create Wikiversity Vote)

[Ray Saintonge]

Robert Scott Horning wrote:

> Anthony DiPierro wrote:
>
>>  As for the guidelines being
>> decided on meta rather than Wikibooks, I don't see why that really
>> matters, but at the same time it probably wouldn't be hard to convince
>> people to move the discussions.
>>
>>> From my understanding Wikibooks doesn't have all that big of an active  
>>
>> community in the first place, sans Wikijunior.  If that's true maybe
>> that's part of the problem.
>
> I have asked for the discussions to be moved to Wikibooks and was 
> shouted down as being out of order and the discussions continued 
> anyway on Meta.  Notices of votes about Wikijunior were on the Meta 
> Goings-on instead of the Wikibooks staff lounge.  This is a problem. 

Absolutely!  This can undermine a community.  It seems to me that there 
could be room for accomodation if it weren't for these misplaced 
discussions, and, even worse, votes.

> As far as Wikibooks not having that active of a community, I think you 
> need to go back to Wikibooks and check again.  There are daily changes 
> on the Staff Lounge, and some rather involved arguments that go on 
> with the VfD page as well.  Wikijunior is hardly that large of a part 
> of Wikibook and is only one little corner of the whole thing there as 
> well. That is precisely the problem in some ways and one of the 
> arguments to move Wikijunior to Wikibooks:  That it was percieved that 
> Wikibooks was a dead project and nobody was around to bother and look 
> at what was being done.  

I don't know if that's the case.  When this came up a year or so ago my 
support was based on the simple fact that they sought to produce books.

> We are averaging about two to three new admins per month now, and some 
> significant cleanup of previous deadwood is also happening.  I don't 
> know how else to decribe an active project besides this.  I mention 
> the growth in the number of new admins in part because it also shows 
> general user growth as well, of which there have been plenty.
>
> Wikibooks can exists and grow without Wikijunior.  It doesn't need it, 
> and is only a very small portion of the items for recent changes on 
> Wikibooks.  I'll admit that Wikibooks isn't as active as Wikipedia, 
> but en.wikibooks is a larger community than most of the language 
> domains for Wikipedia.  Some very interesting and very 
> non-controversial things are happening on Wikibooks that are very 
> positive, and some very interesting Wikibooks are developing that are 
> worthy of note even now.  That there is room for improvement, I don't 
> deny either. 

Looks like it's developping as it should.

Ec