[Advocacy Advisors] Questions to the European Commission

Fri Nov 14 08:07:01 UTC 2014

Ah, yes! I call these "antiquity laws". I am thinking of them, but if the
EU legislates on copyright (i.e. a new Information Society Directive or a
Copyright Regulation) I don't think there's a way of axing them, since it
would always be an exception to copyright and not touching upon other legal
protections.

If there was a EU Directive or Regulation explicitly saying that it is
legal to take pictures of buildlings permanently located ina public space
in general, then this would beat national legislation (as EU law takes
precedence over national law). I am doubtful we can solve this one now, but
it is on my radar.

Dimi

2014-11-13 11:51 GMT+01:00 Lodewijk <lodewijk at effeietsanders.org>:

> Just as a sidenote, dont forget that our italian and greek (!) friends
> also have this non- copyright law that requires govt permission to publish
> photos of old stuff. Might impact wording.
> On Nov 13, 2014 9:06 AM, "Dimitar Parvanov Dimitrov" <
> dimitar.parvanov.dimitrov at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Hi again,
>>
>> after the first round of talks passed, here's some interim notes and
>> thoughts I've had so far:
>>
>> 1. The Commission is rather willing to talk openly about PDGov and FoP
>>
>> 2. On PDGov it is not sure whether it can be included in a Directive
>> (which is aimed at member states). More likely if it is a regulation. If it
>> is a non-legislative took, it is clear that it must be something bigger
>> than the current re-use decision, which isn't really implemented and
>> doesn't secure the upstream content to be free (i.e. bought content must be
>> procured to be under a free license)
>>
>> 3. The standard initial reaction to exceptions remains NC. We must put
>> some effort to remedy that and always (!) explain why NC doesn't work. I am
>> always giving out the relevant brochure.
>>
>> 4. We must figure out how much money Belgian, French and Italian
>> collecting societies make by licensing postcards of buildings, if any at
>> all. If it is astonishingly low, we'd have an even better case.
>>
>> 5. What makes people in Brussels more weary in general is that things
>> tend to get blocked by the member states. Looking at FoP, it would be good
>> to get into position to lobby especially Belgium, France and Italy.
>>
>> 6. Anyone knows the history of FoP and what the historical arguments for
>> its introduction were? I was asked about it directly already. I found some
>> Bavarian law from 1840 as the first example, I assume it was about giving
>> painters the freedom to pain public squares...
>>
>> I would expect a legislative text before summer and some time spend on
>> figuring out how the two relevant Commissioners will interact.
>>
>> Cheers,
>> Dimi
>>
>> 2014-11-07 16:29 GMT+01:00 Dimitar Parvanov Dimitrov <
>> dimitar.parvanov.dimitrov at gmail.com>:
>>
>>> Oh, here the Link:
>>>
>>> http://etherpad.wikimedia.org/p/EuropeanCommissionMeetings
>>>
>>> Greetz from Warsaw
>>>
>>> 2014-11-07 16:20 GMT+01:00 Dimitar Parvanov Dimitrov <
>>> dimitar.parvanov.dimitrov at gmail.com>:
>>>
>>>> Hi again,
>>>>
>>>> since we're trying to be the most transparent thing out there let's
>>>> give it a shot without password protection. I mean, the question we want to
>>>> ask aren't a secret. Maybe some of the answers will be, but we can deal
>>>> with that when we get there.
>>>>
>>>> I set up an etherpad with some notes. Feel free to add/edit/remove
>>>> questions/comments and of course re-shuffle the order. It is hard to
>>>> preview how a conversation will go, but it helps having a pool of good
>>>> ideas and spot on questions in your arsenal.
>>>>
>>>> Thanks for participating!
>>>>
>>>> Cheers,
>>>> Dimi
>>>>
>>>> 2014-11-07 9:59 GMT+01:00 Jens Best <jens.best at wikimedia.de>:
>>>>
>>>>> etherpad would be great.
>>>>>
>>>>> https://etherpad.wikimedia.org doesn't offer pw-protection, but then
>>>>> again, collecting questions there isn't really much more public then doing
>>>>> it here on this mailinglist.
>>>>>
>>>>> Jens
>>>>>
>>>>> 2014-11-07 9:55 GMT+01:00 L.Gelauff <lgelauff at gmail.com>:
>>>>>
>>>>> if you have already a list of questions/topics, it would be easier to
>>>>>> spot gaps. Maybe start an etherpad or something (assuming you want it
>>>>>> nonpublic)?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Lodewijk
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Fri, Nov 7, 2014 at 8:39 AM, Dimitar Parvanov Dimitrov <
>>>>>> dimitar.parvanov.dimitrov at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Hi all,
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> next week I am having three meetings in the European Commission
>>>>>>> lined up: copyright unit, counterfeiting&piracy unit and the cabinet of
>>>>>>> Jean-Claude Juncker. The main reason I was scheduled is our position paper
>>>>>>> on EU copyright reform, which will, presumably, also be the main focus of
>>>>>>> the conversation.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I want to ask this group if there are any specific questions you'd
>>>>>>> like me to ask? Any concrete examples or issues you'd like raised? Of
>>>>>>> course, I can't promise I'll get the chance to ask everything, but I can
>>>>>>> try. Also, chances are that someone here has much better questions than me
>>>>>>> :)
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Cheers,
>>>>>>> Dimi
>>>>>>>
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