[Advocacy Advisors] Wikipedia Zero and net neutrality

[James Salsman]

Jens,

Are people who expect DNS service to be free with metered Internet
subscriptions opposed to net neutrality?

If DNS can be free under metered, neutral services, why can't other
services be zero-rated?

Are there any reasons that zero-rating is as problematic as tiered for-pay
services?


On Sunday, August 10, 2014, Jens Best <jens.best at wikimedia.de> wrote:

> The discussion seems to be over:
>
> According to the press Patricio Lorente, member of the Foundation's board,
> said:
>
> "Access to information is a basic human right. If net neutrality is
> hurting a human right, we have to rethink net neutrality."
>
> Haven't heard such a single-sided, unbalanced and self-righteous statment
> for a while.
>
> So, people standing for net neutrality are now became enemies of basic
> human rights in the understanding of the foundation. - Well, if this low
> level of discussion is reached, I guess it doesn't make sense to discuss
> the subject with the foundation at all.
>
> Byebye
>
> Jens
>
>
>
>
>
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> 2014-08-09 13:09 GMT+02:00 Stevie Benton <stevie.benton at wikimedia.org.uk
> <javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','stevie.benton at wikimedia.org.uk');>>:
>
>> Hello everyone. I don't actually have a solution, although I am thinking
>> about it a lot. But for anyone who is in doubt about the potential
>> difficulties that net neutrality faces because of Wikipedia Zero, I
>> recommend they take a look at this blog. It is written from what I consider
>> the "critical friend" perspective and articulates the arguments of Jens and
>> others very clearly.
>>
>>
>> https://www.accessnow.org/blog/2014/08/08/wikipedia-zero-and-net-neutrality-wikimedia-turns-its-back-on-the-open
>>
>> It also reflects my own view pretty well. I hope we can have a calm and
>> reasoned discussion about this issue this evening at the net politics beer.
>>
>> Thanks and regards,
>>
>> Stevie
>>
>>
>> On 5 August 2014 07:08, Juergen Fenn <schneeschmelze at googlemail.com
>> <javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','schneeschmelze at googlemail.com');>> wrote:
>>
>>> 2014-08-05 2:54 GMT+02:00 Lila Tretikov <lila at wikimedia.org
>>> <javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','lila at wikimedia.org');>>:
>>> > We tend to go out pontificating on these lists. What would be helpful
>>> is
>>> > solutioning. For net neutrality, how would you reconcile the need for
>>> free
>>> > public access to information with the ideals of net neutrality? This
>>> is the
>>> > library analogy. We believe libraries should exist in this new digital
>>> > world. Do you advise that they cannot? And if they can, how should we
>>> > articulate this better?
>>> >
>>> > Go ahead and take a stab at it.
>>>
>>> The solution probably is to go and partner with the libraries instead
>>> of the ISPs. Leave it to the libraries which ISP they choose. It is up
>>> to the libraries to provide access to resources for their users. They
>>> select the resources they provide and they mind the technical side
>>> behind it all. This is not the WMF's business. You only run the WP
>>> website and care about the community.
>>>
>>> Regards,
>>> Jürgen.
>>>
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