Jens,<div><br></div><div>Are people who expect DNS service to be free with metered Internet subscriptions opposed to net neutrality?</div><div><br></div><div>If DNS can be free under metered, neutral services, why can't other services be zero-rated?</div>
<div><br></div><div>Are there any reasons that zero-rating is as problematic as tiered for-pay services?</div><div><br><br>On Sunday, August 10, 2014, Jens Best <<a href="mailto:jens.best@wikimedia.de">jens.best@wikimedia.de</a>> wrote:<br>
<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div dir="ltr">The discussion seems to be over:<br><div><br>According to the press Patricio Lorente, member of the Foundation's board, said: <br>
<br>"Access to information is a basic human right. If net neutrality is hurting a human right, we have to rethink net neutrality."<br>
<br></div><div>Haven't heard such a single-sided, unbalanced and self-righteous statment for a while. <br></div><div><br>So, people standing for net neutrality are now became enemies of basic human rights in the understanding of the foundation. - Well, if this low level of discussion is reached, I guess it doesn't make sense to discuss the subject with the foundation at all. <br>
<br></div><div>Byebye<br><br></div><div>Jens<br></div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div><br><br></div></div><div class="gmail_extra"><br><br><div class="gmail_quote">2014-08-09 13:09 GMT+02:00 Stevie Benton <span dir="ltr"><<a href="javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','stevie.benton@wikimedia.org.uk');" target="_blank">stevie.benton@wikimedia.org.uk</a>></span>:<br>
<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div dir="ltr">Hello everyone. I don't actually have a solution, although I am thinking about it a lot. But for anyone who is in doubt about the potential difficulties that net neutrality faces because of Wikipedia Zero, I recommend they take a look at this blog. It is written from what I consider the "critical friend" perspective and articulates the arguments of Jens and others very clearly. <div>
<br></div><div><a href="https://www.accessnow.org/blog/2014/08/08/wikipedia-zero-and-net-neutrality-wikimedia-turns-its-back-on-the-open" target="_blank">https://www.accessnow.org/blog/2014/08/08/wikipedia-zero-and-net-neutrality-wikimedia-turns-its-back-on-the-open</a><br>
</div><div><br></div><div>It also reflects my own view pretty well. I hope we can have a calm and reasoned discussion about this issue this evening at the net politics beer.</div><div><br></div><div>Thanks and regards,</div>
<div><br></div><div>Stevie</div></div><div class="gmail_extra"><div><div><br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On 5 August 2014 07:08, Juergen Fenn <span dir="ltr"><<a href="javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','schneeschmelze@googlemail.com');" target="_blank">schneeschmelze@googlemail.com</a>></span> wrote:<br>
<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">2014-08-05 2:54 GMT+02:00 Lila Tretikov <<a href="javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','lila@wikimedia.org');" target="_blank">lila@wikimedia.org</a>>:<br>
<div>> We tend to go out pontificating on these lists. What would be helpful is<br>
> solutioning. For net neutrality, how would you reconcile the need for free<br>
> public access to information with the ideals of net neutrality? This is the<br>
> library analogy. We believe libraries should exist in this new digital<br>
> world. Do you advise that they cannot? And if they can, how should we<br>
> articulate this better?<br>
><br>
> Go ahead and take a stab at it.<br>
<br>
</div>The solution probably is to go and partner with the libraries instead<br>
of the ISPs. Leave it to the libraries which ISP they choose. It is up<br>
to the libraries to provide access to resources for their users. They<br>
select the resources they provide and they mind the technical side<br>
behind it all. This is not the WMF's business. You only run the WP<br>
website and care about the community.<br>
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Regards,<br>
Jürgen.<br>
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