[Advocacy Advisors] [Internal-l] CPA : Cybercrime Prevention Act of 2012 - Philippines

Sat Sep 22 17:11:05 UTC 2012

Hi all.

Wikimedia does ask for donations. I am not sure whether that could be
construed as asking "for favor or consideration". How would it be for a
pornographic website that relies on voluntary donations? That is the
worst-case comparison someone could draw.

On Commons, the most frequently viewed files certainly have been, almost
without exception, sexual media:

http://stats.grok.se/commons.m/top

On the other hand, compared to all the other content on Commons (and also,
I suspect, the total number of page views), these files are a very small
minority.

I will mention two of my longstanding gripes here:

1. None of the Wikimedia projects comply with 18 USC 2257 age record
requirements.

http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikilegal/Age_Record_Requirement (also see
talk page).

2. Given that Wikimedia projects contain some pretty extreme materials,
fundraiser materials should not contain testimonials (stories) stating or
implying that Wikimedia projects are child-safe.

http://wikimediafoundation.org/wiki/Stories2/en

Andreas

On Fri, Sep 21, 2012 at 11:33 PM, Geoff Brigham <gbrigham at wikimedia.org>wrote:

> Interesting.  I saw that as a type of anti-prostitution provision since it
> requires "for favor or consideration".
>
>
> On Fri, Sep 21, 2012 at 3:15 PM, Pierre-Carl Langlais <
> pierre-carl.langlais at orange.fr> wrote:
>
>>
>> Hello,
>>
>> I have given a quick look to the bill. It's difficult to draw definite
>> conclusions : the signification of the text greatly depends on the present
>> state of several fields of Philippine legislation (on libel for instance).
>>
>> I have nevertheless some concerns about the c1 paragraph of the fourth
>> section defining the crime of cybersex : « The willful engagement,
>> maintenance, control, or operation, directly or indirectly, of any
>> lascivious exhibition of sexual organs or sexual activity, with the aid of
>> a computer system, for favor or consideration. » I may be wrong, but the
>> enforcement of this paragraph could potentially prevent the diffusion of
>> explicit encyclopedic photographies and illustrations on sexual topics.
>>
>> Pierre-Carl Langlais aka Alexander Doria
>>
>> Hi Roman,
>>
>> I really appreciate your sharing this with us.  Is it possible you could
>> give a brief summary to give us a gist of your concerns about the bill?
>> Fully understand if you may be to busy to do that.
>>
>> Thanks,
>>
>> Geoff
>>
>> On Thu, Sep 20, 2012 at 6:07 PM, Roman Bustria Jr. <bustrias at gmail.com>wrote:
>>
>>> Hello again.
>>>
>>> Here is a  clearer version.
>>>
>>> http://www.gov.ph/2012/09/12/republic-act-no-10175/
>>>
>>>
>>> Butch
>>> WMPH
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Sun, Sep 16, 2012 at 8:47 AM, Roman Bustria Jr. <bustrias at gmail.com>wrote:
>>>
>>>> My Fellow Wikimedians,
>>>>
>>>> We would like to ask your feedback on the new law signed by our
>>>> President about Cybercrime whether it had a chilling effect on our local
>>>> Wikipedia editors.
>>>>
>>>> Official text is available on this link:
>>>>
>>>> http://www.gov.ph/downloads/2012/09sep/20120912-RA-10175-BSA.pdf
>>>>
>>>> Thank you.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Roman "Butch" Bustria Jr.
>>>> Vice President
>>>> Wikimedia Philippines
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>  *The future of technology is defined by change, but the destiny of an
>>>> organization is defined by commitment.*
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>>>> From: Seb35 <seb35wikipedia at gmail.com>
>>>> Date: Sun, Sep 16, 2012 at 12:23 AM
>>>> Subject: Re: [Internal-l] CPA : Cybercrime Prevention Act of 2012 -
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>>>> I catch the occasion to mention the open list advocacy_advisors at lists.*
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>>>> Le Sat, 15 Sep 2012 18:10:00 +0200, Amir E. Aharoni <
>>>> amir.aharoni at mail.huji.ac.il> a écrit:
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>>>>  Is there a reason to ask about this on the internal mailing list? You
>>>>> can get useful feedback from the open list, too.
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