I'm not going to do a bunch of back and forth over whether or not I contribute to xTools or not. I offered to walk away when I retired from on-wiki activities due to being harassed and threatened by an arbitrator and was told that wikitech and toollabs are separate from on-wiki stuff and that I was wanted and needed. I know there are some that want me to stay, and some that want me to go so for the sake of clarity we're going to all post one reply as to whether or not I'm welcome to contribute or not. Unless there is an overwhelming result I should go, I will evaluate each comment and decide. Please don't just say stay or gone, please explain why you think I should stay or go. I will honor whatever the result here is. Thank you, T13 On Jul 3, 2015 8:34 AM, "Eugene Lee" leee@mit.edu wrote:
o/ Kudpung,
For what its worth, my personal and professional experience suggests phone conferencing works well only people maintainers schedules coincide. Email works especially well when people are out of sync, and gives time for email senders to think things through.
Regarding T13's participation: I personally was against this but was told since disciplinary action was only taken on enwiki it would not apply to his work on xtools. I definitely am uncomfortable given the nature of his actions that led to the ArbCom decision, but since others on the xtools team was okay with it, I refrained from going further since I'm the newest team member on the block.
Unsure what people are talking about re: messes, so I'll refrain from that.
--leee
On Fri, Jul 3, 2015 at 2:47 AM, Chris cs@edubkk.org wrote:
I’ve only been following this email list for a day or two and already I see that the biggest problem is not getting the tools up and running or porting existing ttools from other wikis to our corner of Labs, but one of organisation/coordination. I do not believe that trying to manage somthieng as important as this can be done with the back and forth of email or even on IRC.
The greatest steps forward I have achieved for Wikipedia, such as the cleanup of the massive IEP problem, and the development of the NPP suite, were all done over Skype conferencing. There is even better face-2-face multi-person conferencing available nowadays, may I respectfully suggest that the team look into this in order to save time.
Also, if T13 is still one of the participants here, I’m not happy with the arrangement.
In the meantime, I will try contacting some people I know at the Foundation in an attempt to get them to clean up any mess they are directly responsible for so that there will at least be a stable server to work on.
Thanks for listening.
Kudpung
On 3Jul, 2015, at 09:52, Maximilian Doerr maximilian.doerr@gmail.com wrote:
Great. VirtualBox won’t install. I’ve tried 3 times now, but it keeps giving me an unexpected error occurred. :/
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*From:* xtools-bounces@lists.wikimedia.org [ mailto:xtools-bounces@lists.wikimedia.org xtools-bounces@lists.wikimedia.org] *On Behalf Of *MusikAnimal *Sent:* Thursday, July 02, 2015 10:30 PM *To:* Discussion list for xTools *Subject:* Re: [xTools] xTools is not movable
I would go with the virtual box idea. The file system is essentially an NFS mount (as I understand it) so you could still use your IDE or what have you, you'd just would run the application in VirtualBox.
On 2 July 2015 at 22:25, Maximilian Doerr maximilian.doerr@gmail.com wrote: Because I want to see what’s broken on articleinfo by stepping through the code. Plus. The code needs to be portable right?
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*From:* xtools-bounces@lists.wikimedia.org [mailto: xtools-bounces@lists.wikimedia.org] *On Behalf Of *L235 Wikipedia *Sent:* Thursday, July 02, 2015 10:23 PM
*To:* Discussion list for xTools *Subject:* Re: [xTools] xTools is not movable
May I ask why you're trying to do it on your Windows computer rather than creating a test instance on Labs (where we'll be deploying it anyways), making it work there, and then remembering how you did it, writing a documentation file, and destroying the instance? (Or any other way that doesn't involve doing it on Windows?)
Thanks, L235 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:L235
On Thu, Jul 2, 2015 at 9:21 PM, Maximilian Doerr < maximilian.doerr@gmail.com> wrote: So exactly how do you set up redis to work with PHP on Windows ß(Please don’t hate me for that)? I’m totally unfamiliar with redis. It’s the primary holdup I’m facing to getting the tool to work on my computer.
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*From:* xtools-bounces@lists.wikimedia.org [mailto: xtools-bounces@lists.wikimedia.org] *On Behalf Of *ShoeMaker Royality *Sent:* Thursday, July 02, 2015 9:49 PM
*To:* Discussion list for xTools *Subject:* Re: [xTools] xTools is not movable
I'm aware of what's there. I'll work on getting ainfo up in our new home probably Monday or Tuesday. Best I can do between school and holiday weekend family RL stuffs. T13 On Jul 2, 2015 9:42 PM, "Maximilian Doerr" maximilian.doerr@gmail.com wrote: T13, that was before Hedonil touched the code. There’s all kinds of hardcoded paths and webproxy usages specific to toollabs that I don’t know what to do with.
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*From:* xtools-bounces@lists.wikimedia.org [mailto: xtools-bounces@lists.wikimedia.org] *On Behalf Of *Eugene Lee *Sent:* Thursday, July 02, 2015 9:23 PM *To:* Discussion list for xTools *Subject:* Re: [xTools] xTools is not movable
Ah yeup!
I'll coordinate with you over IRC in about 10-20 minutes.
--leee
On Thu, Jul 2, 2015 at 9:21 PM, ShoeMaker Royality < legend.of.the.red.dragon@gmail.com> wrote:
It is movable because we kind of did it before with moving to xstools. I'll see what I can do after the holiday weekend when I get home unless someone else gets to it first. On Jul 2, 2015 9:19 PM, "Maximilian Doerr" maximilian.doerr@gmail.com wrote:
I’ve spent nearly a day today get at least one tool to even load on my computer, mainly revision history statistics tool. I’ve had absolutely no luck getting it to work. Unless someone else would like to try, I’m declaring xTools to be unmovable and therefore cannot be moved to xtools.wmflabs.org with our dedicated environment to stabilize xTools. L If no one objects, I would like to move to plan B and get wikihistory temporarily ported to the new environment or the toollabs environment as a temporary replacement to the broken articleinfo tool. That way we at least have the important tools working again for the time being. We should consider moving straight to building a rewrite, one that’s maintainable, portable, and most importantly stable.
Elee, if no one objects to this plan, would you object to rebuilding the instances, at least the dev ones, with the newest available Linux version and the latest PHP version?
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Alright. I’ll admit that sockpuppet stunt wasn’t at all something I would have expected from you, nor did I expect yourself to get banned, but I still respect you as a Dev. I trust you to not hijack the tool. I’ve always had pleasant interactions with you and ultimately I think you are a valuable person to have on the team. I feel a dismissal isn’t necessary unless you have malicious intentions towards xTools, as a malicious action can be easily reversed and fixed. Even though it’s lessened, you still have my respect and I am still going to AGF, for now. But please don’t do something like that again. I’m not aware of the full details behind your ArbCom case, but I hope you don’t have anymore sockpuppets on Wikipedia.
In short, I think you should stay.
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From: xtools-bounces@lists.wikimedia.org [mailto:xtools-bounces@lists.wikimedia.org] On Behalf Of ShoeMaker Royality Sent: Friday, July 03, 2015 11:22 AM To: Discussion list for xTools Subject: Re: [xTools] T13 a part of xTools
I'm not going to do a bunch of back and forth over whether or not I contribute to xTools or not. I offered to walk away when I retired from on-wiki activities due to being harassed and threatened by an arbitrator and was told that wikitech and toollabs are separate from on-wiki stuff and that I was wanted and needed. I know there are some that want me to stay, and some that want me to go so for the sake of clarity we're going to all post one reply as to whether or not I'm welcome to contribute or not. Unless there is an overwhelming result I should go, I will evaluate each comment and decide. Please don't just say stay or gone, please explain why you think I should stay or go. I will honor whatever the result here is. Thank you, T13
On Jul 3, 2015 8:34 AM, "Eugene Lee" leee@mit.edu wrote:
o/ Kudpung,
For what its worth, my personal and professional experience suggests phone conferencing works well only people maintainers schedules coincide. Email works especially well when people are out of sync, and gives time for email senders to think things through.
Regarding T13's participation: I personally was against this but was told since disciplinary action was only taken on enwiki it would not apply to his work on xtools. I definitely am uncomfortable given the nature of his actions that led to the ArbCom decision, but since others on the xtools team was okay with it, I refrained from going further since I'm the newest team member on the block.
Unsure what people are talking about re: messes, so I'll refrain from that.
--leee
On Fri, Jul 3, 2015 at 2:47 AM, Chris cs@edubkk.org wrote:
I’ve only been following this email list for a day or two and already I see that the biggest problem is not getting the tools up and running or porting existing ttools from other wikis to our corner of Labs, but one of organisation/coordination.
I do not believe that trying to manage somthieng as important as this can be done with the back and forth of email or even on IRC.
The greatest steps forward I have achieved for Wikipedia, such as the cleanup of the massive IEP problem, and the development of the NPP suite, were all done over Skype conferencing. There is even better face-2-face multi-person conferencing available nowadays, may I respectfully suggest that the team look into this in order to save time.
Also, if T13 is still one of the participants here, I’m not happy with the arrangement.
In the meantime, I will try contacting some people I know at the Foundation in an attempt to get them to clean up any mess they are directly responsible for so that there will at least be a stable server to work on.
Thanks for listening.
Kudpung
On 3Jul, 2015, at 09:52, Maximilian Doerr maximilian.doerr@gmail.com wrote:
Great. VirtualBox won’t install. I’ve tried 3 times now, but it keeps giving me an unexpected error occurred. :/
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From: xtools-bounces@lists.wikimedia.org [mailto:xtools-bounces@lists.wikimedia.org] On Behalf Of MusikAnimal Sent: Thursday, July 02, 2015 10:30 PM To: Discussion list for xTools Subject: Re: [xTools] xTools is not movable
I would go with the virtual box idea. The file system is essentially an NFS mount (as I understand it) so you could still use your IDE or what have you, you'd just would run the application in VirtualBox.
On 2 July 2015 at 22:25, Maximilian Doerr < mailto:maximilian.doerr@gmail.com maximilian.doerr@gmail.com> wrote:
Because I want to see what’s broken on articleinfo by stepping through the code. Plus. The code needs to be portable right?
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To: Discussion list for xTools Subject: Re: [xTools] xTools is not movable
May I ask why you're trying to do it on your Windows computer rather than creating a test instance on Labs (where we'll be deploying it anyways), making it work there, and then remembering how you did it, writing a documentation file, and destroying the instance? (Or any other way that doesn't involve doing it on Windows?)
Thanks,
L235
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:L235 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:L235
On Thu, Jul 2, 2015 at 9:21 PM, Maximilian Doerr < mailto:maximilian.doerr@gmail.com maximilian.doerr@gmail.com> wrote:
So exactly how do you set up redis to work with PHP on Windows ß(Please don’t hate me for that)? I’m totally unfamiliar with redis. It’s the primary holdup I’m facing to getting the tool to work on my computer.
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From: mailto:xtools-bounces@lists.wikimedia.org xtools-bounces@lists.wikimedia.org [mailto: mailto:xtools-bounces@lists.wikimedia.org xtools-bounces@lists.wikimedia.org] On Behalf Of ShoeMaker Royality Sent: Thursday, July 02, 2015 9:49 PM
To: Discussion list for xTools Subject: Re: [xTools] xTools is not movable
I'm aware of what's there. I'll work on getting ainfo up in our new home probably Monday or Tuesday. Best I can do between school and holiday weekend family RL stuffs. T13
On Jul 2, 2015 9:42 PM, "Maximilian Doerr" < mailto:maximilian.doerr@gmail.com maximilian.doerr@gmail.com> wrote:
T13, that was before Hedonil touched the code. There’s all kinds of hardcoded paths and webproxy usages specific to toollabs that I don’t know what to do with.
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From: mailto:xtools-bounces@lists.wikimedia.org xtools-bounces@lists.wikimedia.org [mailto: mailto:xtools-bounces@lists.wikimedia.org xtools-bounces@lists.wikimedia.org] On Behalf Of Eugene Lee Sent: Thursday, July 02, 2015 9:23 PM To: Discussion list for xTools Subject: Re: [xTools] xTools is not movable
Ah yeup!
I'll coordinate with you over IRC in about 10-20 minutes.
--leee
On Thu, Jul 2, 2015 at 9:21 PM, ShoeMaker Royality < mailto:legend.of.the.red.dragon@gmail.com legend.of.the.red.dragon@gmail.com> wrote:
It is movable because we kind of did it before with moving to xstools. I'll see what I can do after the holiday weekend when I get home unless someone else gets to it first.
On Jul 2, 2015 9:19 PM, "Maximilian Doerr" < mailto:maximilian.doerr@gmail.com maximilian.doerr@gmail.com> wrote:
I’ve spent nearly a day today get at least one tool to even load on my computer, mainly revision history statistics tool. I’ve had absolutely no luck getting it to work. Unless someone else would like to try, I’m declaring xTools to be unmovable and therefore cannot be moved to http://xtools.wmflabs.org/ xtools.wmflabs.org with our dedicated environment to stabilize xTools. L If no one objects, I would like to move to plan B and get wikihistory temporarily ported to the new environment or the toollabs environment as a temporary replacement to the broken articleinfo tool. That way we at least have the important tools working again for the time being. We should consider moving straight to building a rewrite, one that’s maintainable, portable, and most importantly stable.
Elee, if no one objects to this plan, would you object to rebuilding the instances, at least the dev ones, with the newest available Linux version and the latest PHP version?
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Yes, the 3gg5amp1e account was mine. I made it as an attempt at a clean start and was in the process of cleaning up and retiring the T13 account after the threats made by G, I didn't feel my family was safe anymore based on the level of sharing I had done and the fact I wasn't satisfied that the OSing done was sufficient. I never used the accounts together to gain the upper hand in any discussion and per the wiki 'laws' it was a valid purpose and wasn't being abused. I've never had any malicious intents, nor will I ever. On Jul 3, 2015 11:32 AM, "Maximilian Doerr" maximilian.doerr@gmail.com wrote:
Alright. I’ll admit that sockpuppet stunt wasn’t at all something I would have expected from you, nor did I expect yourself to get banned, but I still respect you as a Dev. I trust you to not hijack the tool. I’ve always had pleasant interactions with you and ultimately I think you are a valuable person to have on the team. I feel a dismissal isn’t necessary unless you have malicious intentions towards xTools, as a malicious action can be easily reversed and fixed. Even though it’s lessened, you still have my respect and I am still going to AGF, for now. But please don’t do something like that again. I’m not aware of the full details behind your ArbCom case, but I hope you don’t have anymore sockpuppets on Wikipedia.
In short, I think you should stay.
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*From:* xtools-bounces@lists.wikimedia.org [mailto: xtools-bounces@lists.wikimedia.org] *On Behalf Of *ShoeMaker Royality *Sent:* Friday, July 03, 2015 11:22 AM *To:* Discussion list for xTools *Subject:* Re: [xTools] T13 a part of xTools
I'm not going to do a bunch of back and forth over whether or not I contribute to xTools or not. I offered to walk away when I retired from on-wiki activities due to being harassed and threatened by an arbitrator and was told that wikitech and toollabs are separate from on-wiki stuff and that I was wanted and needed. I know there are some that want me to stay, and some that want me to go so for the sake of clarity we're going to all post one reply as to whether or not I'm welcome to contribute or not. Unless there is an overwhelming result I should go, I will evaluate each comment and decide. Please don't just say stay or gone, please explain why you think I should stay or go. I will honor whatever the result here is. Thank you, T13
On Jul 3, 2015 8:34 AM, "Eugene Lee" leee@mit.edu wrote:
o/ Kudpung,
For what its worth, my personal and professional experience suggests phone conferencing works well only people maintainers schedules coincide. Email works especially well when people are out of sync, and gives time for email senders to think things through.
Regarding T13's participation: I personally was against this but was told since disciplinary action was only taken on enwiki it would not apply to his work on xtools. I definitely am uncomfortable given the nature of his actions that led to the ArbCom decision, but since others on the xtools team was okay with it, I refrained from going further since I'm the newest team member on the block.
Unsure what people are talking about re: messes, so I'll refrain from that.
--leee
On Fri, Jul 3, 2015 at 2:47 AM, Chris cs@edubkk.org wrote:
I’ve only been following this email list for a day or two and already I see that the biggest problem is not getting the tools up and running or porting existing ttools from other wikis to our corner of Labs, but one of organisation/coordination.
I do not believe that trying to manage somthieng as important as this can be done with the back and forth of email or even on IRC.
The greatest steps forward I have achieved for Wikipedia, such as the cleanup of the massive IEP problem, and the development of the NPP suite, were all done over Skype conferencing. There is even better face-2-face multi-person conferencing available nowadays, may I respectfully suggest that the team look into this in order to save time.
Also, if T13 is still one of the participants here, I’m not happy with the arrangement.
In the meantime, I will try contacting some people I know at the Foundation in an attempt to get them to clean up any mess they are directly responsible for so that there will at least be a stable server to work on.
Thanks for listening.
Kudpung
On 3Jul, 2015, at 09:52, Maximilian Doerr maximilian.doerr@gmail.com wrote:
Great. VirtualBox won’t install. I’ve tried 3 times now, but it keeps giving me an unexpected error occurred. :/
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*From:* xtools-bounces@lists.wikimedia.org [ mailto:xtools-bounces@lists.wikimedia.org xtools-bounces@lists.wikimedia.org] *On Behalf Of *MusikAnimal *Sent:* Thursday, July 02, 2015 10:30 PM *To:* Discussion list for xTools *Subject:* Re: [xTools] xTools is not movable
I would go with the virtual box idea. The file system is essentially an NFS mount (as I understand it) so you could still use your IDE or what have you, you'd just would run the application in VirtualBox.
On 2 July 2015 at 22:25, Maximilian Doerr maximilian.doerr@gmail.com wrote:
Because I want to see what’s broken on articleinfo by stepping through the code. Plus. The code needs to be portable right?
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*From:* xtools-bounces@lists.wikimedia.org [mailto: xtools-bounces@lists.wikimedia.org] *On Behalf Of *L235 Wikipedia *Sent:* Thursday, July 02, 2015 10:23 PM
*To:* Discussion list for xTools *Subject:* Re: [xTools] xTools is not movable
May I ask why you're trying to do it on your Windows computer rather than creating a test instance on Labs (where we'll be deploying it anyways), making it work there, and then remembering how you did it, writing a documentation file, and destroying the instance? (Or any other way that doesn't involve doing it on Windows?)
Thanks,
L235
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:L235
On Thu, Jul 2, 2015 at 9:21 PM, Maximilian Doerr < maximilian.doerr@gmail.com> wrote:
So exactly how do you set up redis to work with PHP on Windows ß(Please don’t hate me for that)? I’m totally unfamiliar with redis. It’s the primary holdup I’m facing to getting the tool to work on my computer.
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*From:* xtools-bounces@lists.wikimedia.org [mailto: xtools-bounces@lists.wikimedia.org] *On Behalf Of *ShoeMaker Royality *Sent:* Thursday, July 02, 2015 9:49 PM
*To:* Discussion list for xTools *Subject:* Re: [xTools] xTools is not movable
I'm aware of what's there. I'll work on getting ainfo up in our new home probably Monday or Tuesday. Best I can do between school and holiday weekend family RL stuffs. T13
On Jul 2, 2015 9:42 PM, "Maximilian Doerr" maximilian.doerr@gmail.com wrote:
T13, that was before Hedonil touched the code. There’s all kinds of hardcoded paths and webproxy usages specific to toollabs that I don’t know what to do with.
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*From:* xtools-bounces@lists.wikimedia.org [mailto: xtools-bounces@lists.wikimedia.org] *On Behalf Of *Eugene Lee *Sent:* Thursday, July 02, 2015 9:23 PM *To:* Discussion list for xTools *Subject:* Re: [xTools] xTools is not movable
Ah yeup!
I'll coordinate with you over IRC in about 10-20 minutes.
--leee
On Thu, Jul 2, 2015 at 9:21 PM, ShoeMaker Royality < legend.of.the.red.dragon@gmail.com> wrote:
It is movable because we kind of did it before with moving to xstools. I'll see what I can do after the holiday weekend when I get home unless someone else gets to it first.
On Jul 2, 2015 9:19 PM, "Maximilian Doerr" maximilian.doerr@gmail.com wrote:
I’ve spent nearly a day today get at least one tool to even load on my computer, mainly revision history statistics tool. I’ve had absolutely no luck getting it to work. Unless someone else would like to try, I’m declaring xTools to be unmovable and therefore cannot be moved to xtools.wmflabs.org with our dedicated environment to stabilize xTools. L If no one objects, I would like to move to plan B and get wikihistory temporarily ported to the new environment or the toollabs environment as a temporary replacement to the broken articleinfo tool. That way we at least have the important tools working again for the time being. We should consider moving straight to building a rewrite, one that’s maintainable, portable, and most importantly stable.
Elee, if no one objects to this plan, would you object to rebuilding the instances, at least the dev ones, with the newest available Linux version and the latest PHP version?
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A clean start means complete abandonment of the original account. Instead you went as far as in engaging in conversation with yourself between the two accounts, in an apparent attempt to gain notoriety of your deorphaning script – which is merely an assumption but a safe one. You also deceived me into granting AWB access, starting with urging me to respond to the requests, once of which was your sockpuppet account. You then went back and forth, wasting much of my time, as I was naturally hesitant to grant access to such a new account. It all makes sense now, and I knew my gut instinct was right that the account was being operated by someone already familiar with Wikipedia. Anyway... you can clearly see how I would lost my respect for you. However, if you are both willing and committed to offering your development expertise to the xtools team, I'm willing to see past this nonsense. I do believe you wouldn't deliberately compromise the integrity of the tools, or otherwise hinder our progress. That's my best offering.
On 3 July 2015 at 11:44, ShoeMaker Royality < legend.of.the.red.dragon@gmail.com> wrote:
Yes, the 3gg5amp1e account was mine. I made it as an attempt at a clean start and was in the process of cleaning up and retiring the T13 account after the threats made by G, I didn't feel my family was safe anymore based on the level of sharing I had done and the fact I wasn't satisfied that the OSing done was sufficient. I never used the accounts together to gain the upper hand in any discussion and per the wiki 'laws' it was a valid purpose and wasn't being abused. I've never had any malicious intents, nor will I ever. On Jul 3, 2015 11:32 AM, "Maximilian Doerr" maximilian.doerr@gmail.com wrote:
Alright. I’ll admit that sockpuppet stunt wasn’t at all something I would have expected from you, nor did I expect yourself to get banned, but I still respect you as a Dev. I trust you to not hijack the tool. I’ve always had pleasant interactions with you and ultimately I think you are a valuable person to have on the team. I feel a dismissal isn’t necessary unless you have malicious intentions towards xTools, as a malicious action can be easily reversed and fixed. Even though it’s lessened, you still have my respect and I am still going to AGF, for now. But please don’t do something like that again. I’m not aware of the full details behind your ArbCom case, but I hope you don’t have anymore sockpuppets on Wikipedia.
In short, I think you should stay.
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*From:* xtools-bounces@lists.wikimedia.org [mailto: xtools-bounces@lists.wikimedia.org] *On Behalf Of *ShoeMaker Royality *Sent:* Friday, July 03, 2015 11:22 AM *To:* Discussion list for xTools *Subject:* Re: [xTools] T13 a part of xTools
I'm not going to do a bunch of back and forth over whether or not I contribute to xTools or not. I offered to walk away when I retired from on-wiki activities due to being harassed and threatened by an arbitrator and was told that wikitech and toollabs are separate from on-wiki stuff and that I was wanted and needed. I know there are some that want me to stay, and some that want me to go so for the sake of clarity we're going to all post one reply as to whether or not I'm welcome to contribute or not. Unless there is an overwhelming result I should go, I will evaluate each comment and decide. Please don't just say stay or gone, please explain why you think I should stay or go. I will honor whatever the result here is. Thank you, T13
On Jul 3, 2015 8:34 AM, "Eugene Lee" leee@mit.edu wrote:
o/ Kudpung,
For what its worth, my personal and professional experience suggests phone conferencing works well only people maintainers schedules coincide. Email works especially well when people are out of sync, and gives time for email senders to think things through.
Regarding T13's participation: I personally was against this but was told since disciplinary action was only taken on enwiki it would not apply to his work on xtools. I definitely am uncomfortable given the nature of his actions that led to the ArbCom decision, but since others on the xtools team was okay with it, I refrained from going further since I'm the newest team member on the block.
Unsure what people are talking about re: messes, so I'll refrain from that.
--leee
On Fri, Jul 3, 2015 at 2:47 AM, Chris cs@edubkk.org wrote:
I’ve only been following this email list for a day or two and already I see that the biggest problem is not getting the tools up and running or porting existing ttools from other wikis to our corner of Labs, but one of organisation/coordination.
I do not believe that trying to manage somthieng as important as this can be done with the back and forth of email or even on IRC.
The greatest steps forward I have achieved for Wikipedia, such as the cleanup of the massive IEP problem, and the development of the NPP suite, were all done over Skype conferencing. There is even better face-2-face multi-person conferencing available nowadays, may I respectfully suggest that the team look into this in order to save time.
Also, if T13 is still one of the participants here, I’m not happy with the arrangement.
In the meantime, I will try contacting some people I know at the Foundation in an attempt to get them to clean up any mess they are directly responsible for so that there will at least be a stable server to work on.
Thanks for listening.
Kudpung
On 3Jul, 2015, at 09:52, Maximilian Doerr maximilian.doerr@gmail.com wrote:
Great. VirtualBox won’t install. I’ve tried 3 times now, but it keeps giving me an unexpected error occurred. :/
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*From:* xtools-bounces@lists.wikimedia.org [ mailto:xtools-bounces@lists.wikimedia.org xtools-bounces@lists.wikimedia.org] *On Behalf Of *MusikAnimal *Sent:* Thursday, July 02, 2015 10:30 PM *To:* Discussion list for xTools *Subject:* Re: [xTools] xTools is not movable
I would go with the virtual box idea. The file system is essentially an NFS mount (as I understand it) so you could still use your IDE or what have you, you'd just would run the application in VirtualBox.
On 2 July 2015 at 22:25, Maximilian Doerr maximilian.doerr@gmail.com wrote:
Because I want to see what’s broken on articleinfo by stepping through the code. Plus. The code needs to be portable right?
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*From:* xtools-bounces@lists.wikimedia.org [mailto: xtools-bounces@lists.wikimedia.org] *On Behalf Of *L235 Wikipedia *Sent:* Thursday, July 02, 2015 10:23 PM
*To:* Discussion list for xTools *Subject:* Re: [xTools] xTools is not movable
May I ask why you're trying to do it on your Windows computer rather than creating a test instance on Labs (where we'll be deploying it anyways), making it work there, and then remembering how you did it, writing a documentation file, and destroying the instance? (Or any other way that doesn't involve doing it on Windows?)
Thanks,
L235
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:L235
On Thu, Jul 2, 2015 at 9:21 PM, Maximilian Doerr < maximilian.doerr@gmail.com> wrote:
So exactly how do you set up redis to work with PHP on Windows ß(Please don’t hate me for that)? I’m totally unfamiliar with redis. It’s the primary holdup I’m facing to getting the tool to work on my computer.
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*From:* xtools-bounces@lists.wikimedia.org [mailto: xtools-bounces@lists.wikimedia.org] *On Behalf Of *ShoeMaker Royality *Sent:* Thursday, July 02, 2015 9:49 PM
*To:* Discussion list for xTools *Subject:* Re: [xTools] xTools is not movable
I'm aware of what's there. I'll work on getting ainfo up in our new home probably Monday or Tuesday. Best I can do between school and holiday weekend family RL stuffs. T13
On Jul 2, 2015 9:42 PM, "Maximilian Doerr" maximilian.doerr@gmail.com wrote:
T13, that was before Hedonil touched the code. There’s all kinds of hardcoded paths and webproxy usages specific to toollabs that I don’t know what to do with.
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*From:* xtools-bounces@lists.wikimedia.org [mailto: xtools-bounces@lists.wikimedia.org] *On Behalf Of *Eugene Lee *Sent:* Thursday, July 02, 2015 9:23 PM *To:* Discussion list for xTools *Subject:* Re: [xTools] xTools is not movable
Ah yeup!
I'll coordinate with you over IRC in about 10-20 minutes.
--leee
On Thu, Jul 2, 2015 at 9:21 PM, ShoeMaker Royality < legend.of.the.red.dragon@gmail.com> wrote:
It is movable because we kind of did it before with moving to xstools. I'll see what I can do after the holiday weekend when I get home unless someone else gets to it first.
On Jul 2, 2015 9:19 PM, "Maximilian Doerr" maximilian.doerr@gmail.com wrote:
I’ve spent nearly a day today get at least one tool to even load on my computer, mainly revision history statistics tool. I’ve had absolutely no luck getting it to work. Unless someone else would like to try, I’m declaring xTools to be unmovable and therefore cannot be moved to xtools.wmflabs.org with our dedicated environment to stabilize xTools. L If no one objects, I would like to move to plan B and get wikihistory temporarily ported to the new environment or the toollabs environment as a temporary replacement to the broken articleinfo tool. That way we at least have the important tools working again for the time being. We should consider moving straight to building a rewrite, one that’s maintainable, portable, and most importantly stable.
Elee, if no one objects to this plan, would you object to rebuilding the instances, at least the dev ones, with the newest available Linux version and the latest PHP version?
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