XTools July 2015

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Re: [xTools] Wikipedia email
by Maximilian Doerr 03 Jul '15

03 Jul '15

Try and also keep the list in the loop. The other maintainers should be able to see what you have in experience. Just out of curiosity, what multibillion dollar website did you write? Cyberpower678 English Wikipedia Account Creation Team Mailing List Moderator > On Jul 3, 2015, at 22:12, Ancheta Wis <tekftu4q(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > Unix since 1985. Replying on one of my ubuntu systems. Wrote a multibillion$ web site from the ground up. I am primarily interested in debugging just why the infrastructure is getting borked. > > My go-to language is Perl. I am a Haskell person right now. > > What kind of help do you want? > >> On Fri, Jul 3, 2015 at 6:01 PM, Maximilian Doerr <maximilian.doerr(a)gmail.com> wrote: >> Hello. Can you tell use what experience you have with PHP and linux? Thank you for volunteering for xTools. >> >> Cyberpower678 >> English Wikipedia Account Creation Team >> Mailing List Moderator >> >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Ancheta Wis [mailto:tekftu4q@gmail.com] >> Sent: Friday, July 03, 2015 8:58 PM >> To: Cyberpower678 >> Subject: Wikipedia email >> >> 3rd try to volunteer for xTools >> >> -- >> This email was sent by user "Ancheta Wis" on the English Wikipedia to user "Cyberpower678". It has been automatically delivered and the Wikimedia Foundation cannot be held responsible for its contents. >> >> The sender has not been given the recipient's email address, nor any information about his/her email account; and the recipient has no obligation to reply to this email or take any other action that might disclose his/her identity. If you respond, the sender will know your email address. For further information on privacy, security, and replying, as well as abuse and removal from emailing, see <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Email>. >

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Re: [xTools] T13 a part of xTools
by ShoeMaker Royality 03 Jul '15

03 Jul '15

I'm not going to do a bunch of back and forth over whether or not I contribute to xTools or not. I offered to walk away when I retired from on-wiki activities due to being harassed and threatened by an arbitrator and was told that wikitech and toollabs are separate from on-wiki stuff and that I was wanted and needed. I know there are some that want me to stay, and some that want me to go so for the sake of clarity we're going to all post one reply as to whether or not I'm welcome to contribute or not. Unless there is an overwhelming result I should go, I will evaluate each comment and decide. Please don't just say stay or gone, please explain why you think I should stay or go. I will honor whatever the result here is. Thank you, T13 On Jul 3, 2015 8:34 AM, "Eugene Lee" <leee(a)mit.edu> wrote: > o/ Kudpung, > > For what its worth, my personal and professional experience suggests phone > conferencing works well only people maintainers schedules coincide. Email > works especially well when people are out of sync, and gives time for email > senders to think things through. > > Regarding T13's participation: I personally was against this but was told > since disciplinary action was only taken on enwiki it would not apply to > his work on xtools. I definitely am uncomfortable given the nature of his > actions that led to the ArbCom decision, but since others on the xtools > team was okay with it, I refrained from going further since I'm the newest > team member on the block. > > Unsure what people are talking about re: messes, so I'll refrain from that. > > --leee > > On Fri, Jul 3, 2015 at 2:47 AM, Chris <cs(a)edubkk.org> wrote: > >> I’ve only been following this email list for a day or two and already I >> see that the biggest problem is not getting the tools up and running or >> porting existing ttools from other wikis to our corner of Labs, but one of >> organisation/coordination. >> I do not believe that trying to manage somthieng as important as this can >> be done with the back and forth of email or even on IRC. >> >> The greatest steps forward I have achieved for Wikipedia, such as the >> cleanup of the massive IEP problem, and the development of the NPP suite, >> were all done over Skype conferencing. There is even better face-2-face >> multi-person conferencing available nowadays, may I respectfully suggest >> that the team look into this in order to save time. >> >> Also, if T13 is still one of the participants here, I’m not happy with >> the arrangement. >> >> In the meantime, I will try contacting some people I know at the >> Foundation in an attempt to get them to clean up any mess they are directly >> responsible for so that there will at least be a stable server to work on. >> >> Thanks for listening. >> >> Kudpung >> >> On 3Jul, 2015, at 09:52, Maximilian Doerr <maximilian.doerr(a)gmail.com> >> wrote: >> >> Great. VirtualBox won’t install. I’ve tried 3 times now, but it keeps >> giving me an unexpected error occurred. :/ >> >> Cyberpower678 >> English Wikipedia Account Creation Team >> Mailing List Moderator >> >> *From:* xtools-bounces(a)lists.wikimedia.org [ >> mailto:xtools-bounces@lists.wikimedia.org >> <xtools-bounces(a)lists.wikimedia.org>] *On Behalf Of *MusikAnimal >> *Sent:* Thursday, July 02, 2015 10:30 PM >> *To:* Discussion list for xTools >> *Subject:* Re: [xTools] xTools is not movable >> >> I would go with the virtual box idea. The file system is essentially an >> NFS mount (as I understand it) so you could still use your IDE or what have >> you, you'd just would run the application in VirtualBox. >> >> On 2 July 2015 at 22:25, Maximilian Doerr <maximilian.doerr(a)gmail.com> >> wrote: >> Because I want to see what’s broken on articleinfo by stepping through >> the code. Plus. The code needs to be portable right? >> >> Cyberpower678 >> English Wikipedia Account Creation Team >> Mailing List Moderator >> >> *From:* xtools-bounces(a)lists.wikimedia.org [mailto: >> xtools-bounces(a)lists.wikimedia.org] *On Behalf Of *L235 Wikipedia >> *Sent:* Thursday, July 02, 2015 10:23 PM >> >> *To:* Discussion list for xTools >> *Subject:* Re: [xTools] xTools is not movable >> >> May I ask why you're trying to do it on your Windows computer rather than >> creating a test instance on Labs (where we'll be deploying it anyways), >> making it work there, and then remembering how you did it, writing a >> documentation file, and destroying the instance? (Or any other way that >> doesn't involve doing it on Windows?) >> >> Thanks, >> L235 >> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:L235 >> >> On Thu, Jul 2, 2015 at 9:21 PM, Maximilian Doerr < >> maximilian.doerr(a)gmail.com> wrote: >> So exactly how do you set up redis to work with PHP on Windows ß(Please >> don’t hate me for that)? I’m totally unfamiliar with redis. It’s the >> primary holdup I’m facing to getting the tool to work on my computer. >> >> Cyberpower678 >> English Wikipedia Account Creation Team >> Mailing List Moderator >> >> *From:* xtools-bounces(a)lists.wikimedia.org [mailto: >> xtools-bounces(a)lists.wikimedia.org] *On Behalf Of *ShoeMaker Royality >> *Sent:* Thursday, July 02, 2015 9:49 PM >> >> *To:* Discussion list for xTools >> *Subject:* Re: [xTools] xTools is not movable >> >> >> I'm aware of what's there. I'll work on getting ainfo up in our new home >> probably Monday or Tuesday. Best I can do between school and holiday >> weekend family RL stuffs. T13 >> On Jul 2, 2015 9:42 PM, "Maximilian Doerr" <maximilian.doerr(a)gmail.com> >> wrote: >> T13, that was before Hedonil touched the code. There’s all kinds of >> hardcoded paths and webproxy usages specific to toollabs that I don’t know >> what to do with. >> >> Cyberpower678 >> English Wikipedia Account Creation Team >> Mailing List Moderator >> >> *From:* xtools-bounces(a)lists.wikimedia.org [mailto: >> xtools-bounces(a)lists.wikimedia.org] *On Behalf Of *Eugene Lee >> *Sent:* Thursday, July 02, 2015 9:23 PM >> *To:* Discussion list for xTools >> *Subject:* Re: [xTools] xTools is not movable >> >> Ah yeup! >> >> I'll coordinate with you over IRC in about 10-20 minutes. >> >> --leee >> >> On Thu, Jul 2, 2015 at 9:21 PM, ShoeMaker Royality < >> legend.of.the.red.dragon(a)gmail.com> wrote: >> >> It is movable because we kind of did it before with moving to xstools. >> I'll see what I can do after the holiday weekend when I get home unless >> someone else gets to it first. >> On Jul 2, 2015 9:19 PM, "Maximilian Doerr" <maximilian.doerr(a)gmail.com> >> wrote: >> >> I’ve spent nearly a day today get at least one tool to even load on my >> computer, mainly revision history statistics tool. I’ve had absolutely no >> luck getting it to work. Unless someone else would like to try, I’m >> declaring xTools to be unmovable and therefore cannot be moved to >> xtools.wmflabs.org with our dedicated environment to stabilize xTools. L >> If no one objects, I would like to move to plan B and get wikihistory >> temporarily ported to the new environment or the toollabs environment as a >> temporary replacement to the broken articleinfo tool. That way we at least >> have the important tools working again for the time being. We should >> consider moving straight to building a rewrite, one that’s maintainable, >> portable, and most importantly stable. >> >> Elee, if no one objects to this plan, would you object to rebuilding the >> instances, at least the dev ones, with the newest available Linux version >> and the latest PHP version? >> >> Cyberpower678 >> English Wikipedia Account Creation Team >> Mailing List Moderator >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Maintainers: Cyberpower678, Technical 13, MusikAnimal, Elee, Nakon >> xTools mailing list >> xTools(a)lists.wikimedia.org >> https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/xtools >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Maintainers: Cyberpower678, Technical 13, MusikAnimal, Elee, Nakon >> xTools mailing list >> xTools(a)lists.wikimedia.org >> https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/xtools >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Maintainers: Cyberpower678, Technical 13, MusikAnimal, Elee, Nakon >> xTools mailing list >> xTools(a)lists.wikimedia.org >> https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/xtools >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Maintainers: Cyberpower678, Technical 13, MusikAnimal, Elee, Nakon >> xTools mailing list >> xTools(a)lists.wikimedia.org >> https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/xtools >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Maintainers: Cyberpower678, Technical 13, MusikAnimal, Elee, Nakon >> xTools mailing list >> xTools(a)lists.wikimedia.org >> https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/xtools >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Maintainers: Cyberpower678, Technical 13, MusikAnimal, Elee, Nakon >> xTools mailing list >> xTools(a)lists.wikimedia.org >> https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/xtools >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Maintainers: Cyberpower678, Technical 13, MusikAnimal, Elee, Nakon >> xTools mailing list >> xTools(a)lists.wikimedia.org >> https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/xtools >> >> > > _______________________________________________ > Maintainers: Cyberpower678, Technical 13, MusikAnimal, Elee, Nakon > xTools mailing list > xTools(a)lists.wikimedia.org > https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/xtools > >

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xTools is not movable
by Maximilian Doerr 03 Jul '15

03 Jul '15

I've spent nearly a day today get at least one tool to even load on my computer, mainly revision history statistics tool. I've had absolutely no luck getting it to work. Unless someone else would like to try, I'm declaring xTools to be unmovable and therefore cannot be moved to xtools.wmflabs.org with our dedicated environment to stabilize xTools. L If no one objects, I would like to move to plan B and get wikihistory temporarily ported to the new environment or the toollabs environment as a temporary replacement to the broken articleinfo tool. That way we at least have the important tools working again for the time being. We should consider moving straight to building a rewrite, one that's maintainable, portable, and most importantly stable. Elee, if no one objects to this plan, would you object to rebuilding the instances, at least the dev ones, with the newest available Linux version and the latest PHP version? Cyberpower678 English Wikipedia Account Creation Team Mailing List Moderator

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IRC
by ShoeMaker Royality 03 Jul '15

03 Jul '15

I'm very saddened to see the changes on IRC. There was no reason to move the channel and take away my access to the channel I foundered for the project. I don't remember discussing it, and I don't even remember it being mentioned. The new channel name implies that xTools is now run by Wikimedia and not an independent project managed by us. T13

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New address
by L235 Wikipedia 02 Jul '15

02 Jul '15

Hi all, FYI, having set up my filters (finally!), I'm moving email addresses from lixxx235wikipedia(a)gmail.com to l235(a)l235.net. Thanks, L235 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:L235

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Rewriting the file paths of xTools
by Maximilian Doerr 02 Jul '15

02 Jul '15

So I'm currently in the process of rewriting the file paths of the xTools code to make it possible to at least install elsewhere. I hope to have that done within a day. Cyberpower678 English Wikipedia Account Creation Team Mailing List Moderator

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Re: [xTools] Getting the tools moved
by Jonatan Svensson Glad 30 Jun '15

30 Jun '15

T13: I'm not on xTools, just reading and responding to the pipermails. *Jonatan Svensson Glad* President of SSU Tyresö and Editor on Wikipedia +46 (0)760-44 24 44 | gladjonatan(a)outlook.com <https://www.facebook.com/josve05a> <http://twitter.com/JonatanGlad> <https://twitter.com/JonatanGlad> All views and opinions expressed in this email message are the personal opinions of the author and do not represent those of any organization which might be related to this message. No liability can be held for any damages, however caused, to any recipients of this message.

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