Hello to you Thank you Isaac and a big thank you to Navin let me salute your engament it touches me. It is true that the campaign will create enough annoyance especially with the new participants, but I remain convinced that it is the contribution of Navin which will be the best because if they have expelled them they will never want to contribute again and will have a bad image from Wikipedia what nobody would want. At the local level each organizer should better help them to contribute in such a way as to reduce their problems. Thank you Constant Azogbonon
Le dim. 5 juil. 2020 à 20:13, Navin Singh navinsingh133@gmail.com a écrit :
Greetings,
I request all the local organizers to participate in the discussion https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Administrators%27_noticeboard&#Image_competition? at the En wiki's admin noticeboard https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Administrators%27_noticeboard and work out a peaceful and efficient solution. We are also the organizers of this campaign, it is our duty to take the lead and ensure that the campaign goes well. We need to assure the admins of local wikis and the participants that we are well capable of handling any event, whether it's a mishap or an attack.
Our opinions matter, and we should all take part in the discussion and work on a solution.
Thanks
On Sun, 5 Jul 2020 at 23:46, Isaac Olatunde reachout2isaac@gmail.com wrote:
Hello Zana,
Thank you for your input. Yes, the instructions were clear.
If there is a specific wording they want to see or that should be there, they could easily suggest it and we will surely add it. That's how to collaborate and support content drive organizers.
We mop up thousands of copyvios and out of scope photos on Commons from various photography contests (WLE, WLM etc) every year as a community. The instructions were clear for those contests yet thousands of copyvios were uploaded. But we do our best to support them as community members by helping them to clean up the mess and block aberrant users who failed to either read instructions or stop after multiple warnings.
New editors are assets to the Wikimedia movement and most of the veterans we have today are products of contents drive contest/campaign.
The aggression at the English Wikipedia community is needless. Criticising an activity without proposing a solution is worst than the problem itself.
With kind regards
Isaac
On Sun, 5 Jul 2020, 19:00 Zana Strkovska, 777.zana@gmail.com wrote:
Hi all, On mk.wiki the instructions are clear, I think, and thanks to the local prizes, the participants are active on mk.wikipedia, not on en.wiki.
One of the problems I can see on en.wiki discussion are prizes which were not said that will be vouchers, so admins on en.wiki were talking about cash money!
I support Navin's proposed solutions, maybe plus sentences in the instruction part will make instructions more clear for en admins? :)
Regards, Zana
ned, 5. srp 2020. u 19:47 Isaac Olatunde reachout2isaac@gmail.com napisao je:
Hello Navin,
Thanks for these proposed solutions.
I hope local organizers can work out a solution to minimize disruption by new editors from their various communities.
But frankly speaking, it isn't clear what kind of rules the folks at the English Wikipedia want to see as the rules and instructions are clear on the meta page.
In additions to instructions on the meta page, several local communities organized webinars to train participants. I participated in at least 2 of the training. There are instructional videos on the page and we have recently improved the instructions. So, I don't know what they wanted exactly.
Either they aren't reading the page at all and making some kind of blanket assessment to discredit the campaign or they don't want new editors to participate at all.
In either case, I'd encourage local organizers and participants to participate in the English Wikipedia discussions to point out the merit of this campaign, point out what they are probably missing and work out a solution to address their concerns.[1]
Regards,
Isaac
[1]. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Administrators%27_noticeboard#Imag... ?
On Sun, 5 Jul 2020, 18:06 Navin Singh, navinsingh133@gmail.com wrote:
Hello everyone,
Thanks for sharing the link Isaac. I have already checked on the discussion and I feel the are a bit over reactive and really impolite. I was really disappointed by their personal attacks and aggression.
I don't think this is much big of a issue. I believe that *most* of the problem is due to their frustration due to AVAs, not the campaign itself. Still, we can deal with nonconstructive edit by putting out highlighted notice that each's contribution will be monitored, and scrutinized both real-time and post-campaign. Once participants realize they are being watched, their behavior will improve.
Below are the steps I suggest.
- On developed wikis
that edits must be constructive. We can decide what is constructive and what is not on the basis of judgement, to give us some degree of freedom. We can also make community pages with well defined guidelins, link with meta page to highlight on what to do and what not to do.
- We local organizers can build regulations from meta guideline
Use of caution and warning signs attracts attention and discourages mischievous behavior.
- We can put out warnings and cautions on the community pages.
immediately. We can encourage them by displaying statistics.
- Most of the edits are constructive, doing years of work
non-proper placement of hashtags.
- Filters to block hashtags in page instead of summary to fix
unfair contributions. A warning that we may resort to strict measures will discourage damaging contributions.
- Communicate with participants, and build a reporting page for
Customized solution targeting the troubled wiki will be more effective than giving an all out "chemotherapy".
- Work with admins, to figure out community wise solutions.
contributions till the campaign.
- Warn and then block users with more than 5 non-constructive
- On developing wikis
violating the guidelines.
- We can monitor changes in real-time to warn users.
- Instructions can be added on how to easily add images without
everyone to enjoy the fairness and positiveness.
- Guide individuals to start a positive trend. Encourage
The above is my personal opinion only. I believe such steps will improve the positive contributions ratio, although users at EN WIKI have quoted it is already 9 out of 10. The decision is to be made by the local organizers.
Apologies for the intrusion, Thanks.
On Sun, 5 Jul 2020 at 20:34, Isaac Olatunde reachout2isaac@gmail.com wrote:
Hello local organizers and participants of the WPWP Campaign
Below is the link to the English Wikipedia notice board discussion.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Administrators%27_noticeboard#Imag... ?
Thank you.
Isaac
On Sun, 5 Jul 2020, 14:24 Isaac Olatunde, reachout2isaac@gmail.com wrote:
> Hello Navin and others, > > We have been thinking about how we might best deal with this > situation. > > I agree that non-constructive edits can be handled on a case-by-case > basis and they could be dealt with at the community level. > > We have now *reversed this new eligibility criterion* while we > continue the discussion with the English Wikipedia community on how to best > handle the issue in that community. I hope we find a solution to the > problem at the English Wikipedia. > > Please disregard the previous email about the (now reversed) > additional criteria and continue to improve articles with photos. > > We apologize for any inconveniences > > With best regards, > Isaac Olatunde > Project Manager and Co-Coordinator > WPWP Campaign > On behalf of the WPWP Organizing Team > > On Sun, 5 Jul 2020, 13:50 Navin Singh, navinsingh133@gmail.com > wrote: > >> Dear Issac, >> >> Isn't it a little bit late to restrict users from editing? It would >> have been okay if the changes were made before starting, but I think we >> should try to find any other solution. Maybe like, disqualifying if more >> then 5 edits are found to be destructive. I feel bad in shutting out the >> users we have called. If an edit is not constructive, we can treat it as >> so. There are a lot of rollbackers and anti-vandalism users on developed >> wikis which deal with such things daily. On wikis with small number of >> participant, we can easily provide other solutions. >> >> Overall, I am asking to deal with it on community level. I don't >> feel confident in shutting out so many people all of a sudden, it will be a >> disappointment. >> >> The above is my personal opinion and not a decision. Feel free to >> to update the guidelines anyway you guys prefer. >> >> Regards >> >> On Sun, 5 Jul 2020 at 02:47, Isaac Olatunde < >> reachout2isaac@gmail.com> wrote: >> >>> Dear local coordinators of the WPWP Campaign, >>> >>> We are excited that the WPWP Campaign is having a huge impact as >>> more than 6000 articles have been improved with photos in about 100 >>> languages Wikipedia in the last 72 hours. >>> >>> However, there are concerns about the level of disruption caused >>> by brand new editors, which includes adding irrelevant images to articles, >>> poor formatting, insertion of the hashtags to mainspace, and defacing >>> articles with unnecessary photos. >>> >>> There is at least one thread at the English Wikipedia >>> administrators noticeboard about this problem. We have extensively reviewed >>> the concerns, feedback, and have decided to review the eligibility criteria >>> as an emergency response to minimize the level of disruption. >>> >>> The eligibility criteria have been reviewed to include only users >>> who have registered their account for at least 1 year and had made at >>> least 300 mainspace edits to any language Wikipedia before July 1st, 2020 >>> would be eligible to participate in the WPWP Campaign. >>> >>> You are encouraged to update your local pages accordingly to >>> reflect these new changes. >>> >>> We apologize for any inconvenience that may result from these >>> changes >>> >>> With best regards, >>> Isaac Olatunde >>> Project Manager and Co-Coordinator >>> WPWP Campaign >>> On behalf of the WPWP Organizing Team >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> wpwp mailing list >>> wpwp@lists.wikimedia.org >>> https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wpwp >>> >> _______________________________________________
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