Hi,
All this talk about hugely successful events in places like India and Italy has got me wondering, since I haven't seen many successful events in the U.S. mentioned-- only in a few very large metro cities (San Francisco, MIT, and NYC). It seems to me that the other wikis must have had some advantage here; not sure what it was.
I, for one, got so used to clicking the X button in the pledge drive banner hundreds of times per day that I stopped reading the banner. The same happened when the post-pledge-drive banner was up. Following that, there was a new banner, but it took me a few days to realize this was a new banner. This new banner was my first clue any events were even going on, and it was too late by that point to really organize anything.
There were no more than 40 states which attempted to hold events. These amassed to around 50 events, but most of them (from what I could tell) were merely callouts to see if anyone was interested in doing something, usually with no more than five respondents if even that many. The only ones that appeared successful at all were very large metro cities. Taking these facts into consideration, most American Wikipedians would have needed to travel several hours to get to an event that was most likely no more than a small group get-together, and much further to get to an actual large celebration.
A quick check on the National Public Radio (NPR) website returns zero stories about Wikipedia festivities, other than brief mentions that Wikipedia was turning 10-- no parties or conferences were mentioned at all. This radio station is devoted to providing full up-to-date coverage of news on national and global issues, and I find it surprising reporters didn't even mention the kite-flying parties in India.
Considering Wikipedia is one of the most heavily-used sites in America, I'd say that we've got some problems here with publicity, event organization, and possibly even spirit.
Anyone have suggestions on how to improve future events in America, particularly in small metros? (Obviously having events planned more than two weeks before the event would be one improvement!)
Thanks! Rob "Bob the Wikipedian" Schnautz
Hi Rob - off the top of my head I don't have suggestions for promotion of events in smaller US cities, however I would say that the Wikimedia Public Policy Initiative has had great success working on Wikipedia outreach on campuses around the US (at an experimental level - outreach.wikimedia.org).
I would have to disagree that there was a lack of publicity. In fact I'd say we've never seen more international coverage of Wikipedia and the anniversary, particularly in the US. see http://ten.wikipedia.org/wiki/Media_coverage for some examples
And many of those media hits did direct listener/readers to ten.wikipedia.org, and we had more local level media requests to know 'what was happening here' etc
I'm also pretty sure that the very, very visible site notices around the world and specifically the US for logged in users went to tens of thousands of Wikipedians in the US alone.
I don't think this is an issue of lack of media interest or impact. I think it has more to do with the basic challenges of organizing events and volunteers - two things I've been doing for a number of years, and I can attest to the challenges.
I would point to Canada as being in a similar example of organizational challenges. Wikipedia use is probably about the highest per capita on earth in canada, and we have a pretty large community of editors, but very few events took place. I expect there are similar challenges there, and as a Canadian I'm personally very keen to understand the barriers and to figure out how to work past those.
I do share your concerns and interests though - hopefully there are other suggestions here to bring forward.
jay
On Jan 18, 2011, at 5:58 PM, Rob Schnautz wrote:
Hi,
All this talk about hugely successful events in places like India and Italy has got me wondering, since I haven't seen many successful events in the U.S. mentioned-- only in a few very large metro cities (San Francisco, MIT, and NYC). It seems to me that the other wikis must have had some advantage here; not sure what it was.
I, for one, got so used to clicking the X button in the pledge drive banner hundreds of times per day that I stopped reading the banner. The same happened when the post-pledge-drive banner was up. Following that, there was a new banner, but it took me a few days to realize this was a new banner. This new banner was my first clue any events were even going on, and it was too late by that point to really organize anything.
There were no more than 40 states which attempted to hold events. These amassed to around 50 events, but most of them (from what I could tell) were merely callouts to see if anyone was interested in doing something, usually with no more than five respondents if even that many. The only ones that appeared successful at all were very large metro cities. Taking these facts into consideration, most American Wikipedians would have needed to travel several hours to get to an event that was most likely no more than a small group get-together, and much further to get to an actual large celebration.
A quick check on the National Public Radio (NPR) website returns zero stories about Wikipedia festivities, other than brief mentions that Wikipedia was turning 10-- no parties or conferences were mentioned at all. This radio station is devoted to providing full up-to-date coverage of news on national and global issues, and I find it surprising reporters didn't even mention the kite-flying parties in India.
Considering Wikipedia is one of the most heavily-used sites in America, I'd say that we've got some problems here with publicity, event organization, and possibly even spirit.
Anyone have suggestions on how to improve future events in America, particularly in small metros? (Obviously having events planned more than two weeks before the event would be one improvement!)
Thanks! Rob "Bob the Wikipedian" Schnautz
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I think the anniversary was a resounding success in the United States, no qualifications or hesitations necessary.
In addition to the Pennsylvania, DC, San Francisco and New York City events already mentioned, meet-ups in Michigan, Minnesota, Oregon, Washington, and Colorado all happened (or will happen soon). I'm sure there are others I'm forgetting or that occurred without as much fanfare. There are definitely more that haven't been reported back about, since it's only four days since the anniversary.
As for the 40-50 U.S. listings vs. the number that actually happened... I expected this. Having more interest expressed than action or participation is a fundamental law of event organizing not unique to wikis, the U.S. or to Wikimedia as a movement. Staying open to anyone who cares about the anniversary, regardless of whether they actually attend or pull off an event, generates an inestimable amount of goodwill for Wikipedia.
On Jan 19, 2011, at 12:58 PM, Jay Walsh wrote:
Hi Rob - off the top of my head I don't have suggestions for promotion of events in smaller US cities, however I would say that the Wikimedia Public Policy Initiative has had great success working on Wikipedia outreach on campuses around the US (at an experimental level - outreach.wikimedia.org).
I would have to disagree that there was a lack of publicity. In fact I'd say we've never seen more international coverage of Wikipedia and the anniversary, particularly in the US. see http://ten.wikipedia.org/wiki/Media_coverage for some examples
And many of those media hits did direct listener/readers to ten.wikipedia.org, and we had more local level media requests to know 'what was happening here' etc
I'm also pretty sure that the very, very visible site notices around the world and specifically the US for logged in users went to tens of thousands of Wikipedians in the US alone.
I don't think this is an issue of lack of media interest or impact. I think it has more to do with the basic challenges of organizing events and volunteers - two things I've been doing for a number of years, and I can attest to the challenges.
I would point to Canada as being in a similar example of organizational challenges. Wikipedia use is probably about the highest per capita on earth in canada, and we have a pretty large community of editors, but very few events took place. I expect there are similar challenges there, and as a Canadian I'm personally very keen to understand the barriers and to figure out how to work past those.
I do share your concerns and interests though - hopefully there are other suggestions here to bring forward.
jay
On Jan 18, 2011, at 5:58 PM, Rob Schnautz wrote:
Hi,
All this talk about hugely successful events in places like India and Italy has got me wondering, since I haven't seen many successful events in the U.S. mentioned-- only in a few very large metro cities (San Francisco, MIT, and NYC). It seems to me that the other wikis must have had some advantage here; not sure what it was.
I, for one, got so used to clicking the X button in the pledge drive banner hundreds of times per day that I stopped reading the banner. The same happened when the post-pledge-drive banner was up. Following that, there was a new banner, but it took me a few days to realize this was a new banner. This new banner was my first clue any events were even going on, and it was too late by that point to really organize anything.
There were no more than 40 states which attempted to hold events. These amassed to around 50 events, but most of them (from what I could tell) were merely callouts to see if anyone was interested in doing something, usually with no more than five respondents if even that many. The only ones that appeared successful at all were very large metro cities. Taking these facts into consideration, most American Wikipedians would have needed to travel several hours to get to an event that was most likely no more than a small group get-together, and much further to get to an actual large celebration.
A quick check on the National Public Radio (NPR) website returns zero stories about Wikipedia festivities, other than brief mentions that Wikipedia was turning 10-- no parties or conferences were mentioned at all. This radio station is devoted to providing full up-to-date coverage of news on national and global issues, and I find it surprising reporters didn't even mention the kite-flying parties in India.
Considering Wikipedia is one of the most heavily-used sites in America, I'd say that we've got some problems here with publicity, event organization, and possibly even spirit.
Anyone have suggestions on how to improve future events in America, particularly in small metros? (Obviously having events planned more than two weeks before the event would be one improvement!)
Thanks! Rob "Bob the Wikipedian" Schnautz
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On Tue, Jan 18, 2011 at 8:58 PM, Rob Schnautz schnautzr@gmail.com wrote:
Hi,
All this talk about hugely successful events in places like India and Italy has got me wondering, since I haven't seen many successful events in the U.S. mentioned-- only in a few very large metro cities (San Francisco, MIT, and NYC).
We're doing our event in DC this weekend, expecting ~100 attendees.
It seems to me that the other wikis must have had some advantage here; not sure what it was.
[snip]
A quick check on the National Public Radio (NPR) website returns zero stories about Wikipedia festivities, other than brief mentions that Wikipedia was turning 10-- no parties or conferences were mentioned at all. This radio station is devoted to providing full up-to-date coverage of news on national and global issues, and I find it surprising reporters didn't even mention the kite-flying parties in India.
We did invite them to our event, though we're doing it a week later so it's old news by now. :/ For OpenStreetMap, we did get coverage for our ad-hoc local group in the Washington Post and expect as our local group ramps up and is doing stuff, we'll get media coverage for Wikimedia stuff here.
Do interesting local stuff, the media will notice (and it doesn't hurt to invite them).
Considering Wikipedia is one of the most heavily-used sites in America, I'd say that we've got some problems here with publicity, event organization, and possibly even spirit.
Anyone have suggestions on how to improve future events in America, particularly in small metros? (Obviously having events planned more than two weeks before the event would be one improvement!)
Can we please resurrect the #wikimedia-us IRC channel? Right now, it's invite only!
Also, let's get a mailing list going for Wikimedians in the US:
https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-us (doesn't exist!)
As for events, I see things being organized in Indianapolis and Minneapolis, and certainly there is potential for more elsewhere.
Cheers, Katie (@aude)
Thanks! Rob "Bob the Wikipedian" Schnautz
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On Wed, Jan 19, 2011 at 4:56 PM, aude aude.wiki@gmail.com wrote:
Can we please resurrect the #wikimedia-us IRC channel? Right now, it's invite only!
It's actually not invite-only, it redirects to #wikimedia-chapters since there's not a Wikimedia chapter in the US at the moment and the channel was unused. Fragmenting the discussions wasn't working out too well, so we redirected it to some place where people could talk about 1.5 years ago. :-)
If you think we're going to need to use the channel again and #wikimedia or #wikimedia-chapters aren't good enough, I could reopen/unredirect the channel.
On Tue, Jan 18, 2011 at 8:58 PM, Rob Schnautz schnautzr@gmail.com wrote:
There were no more than 40 states which attempted to hold events. These amassed to around 50 events, but most of them (from what I could tell) were merely callouts to see if anyone was interested in doing something, usually with no more than five respondents if even that many. The only ones that appeared successful at all were very large metro cities. Taking these facts into consideration, most American Wikipedians would have needed to travel several hours to get to an event that was most likely no more than a small group get-together, and much further to get to an actual large celebration.
The Pittsburgh party was pretty successful; although only a small number of people signed up for it on either ten.wikipedia.org or the Pittsburgh meetup page on Wikipedia, many more signed up on Facebook. It was held at a sports bar during a Pittsburgh Steelers (American) football game, which wasn't scheduled until after we had picked the time and place for the party. There was actually a 15-minute wait to get in at some points. Nonetheless, dozens of Wikipedians and Wikipedia supporters showed up over the course of the evening. We only gave shirts to those who had registered (either on Facebook or a wiki) and we gave out all but (I believe) 4 shirts out of the 50 in the box.
Some people did, in fact, drive hours to get there... and are planning to do so for some regular meetups now!
Here are some pictures and a bit about how the party was, for those interested: http://ragesoss.com/blog/2011/01/17/wikimedians-are-awesome-and-wp10-pittsbu...
But we do, definitely, need better tools for gathering people together... the US, in general, doesn't have nearly as many meetups as it ought to.
-Sage
I wonder: how many how many events are being organised by chapters, how many by the Wikimedia community, and how many by Wikimedia readers? Where is the bottleneck here - is it a lack of a US chapter, or does the community not feel 'empowered' (or insert a buzzword of your choice here), are we not communicating effectively to the US reader community, or is it a simple geographical issue? Put another way, how do we encourage the US community to be even more active with offline activities?
The same questions apply globally. Everyone's been doing fantastic things over the last month, but how do we turn that into something that is sustainable and can grow over the next [5 years/decade], in time for the [15/20]th birthday celebrations? In the UK (where I've been active), there have been three fantastic events (Bristol, Jimmy's party, and the British Library event - organised by three different people) - but that's a tiny number compared to how many events could have been run across the country if there had been more people engaged in organising them.
Mike
On 19 Jan 2011, at 22:09, Sage Ross wrote:
On Tue, Jan 18, 2011 at 8:58 PM, Rob Schnautz schnautzr@gmail.com wrote:
There were no more than 40 states which attempted to hold events. These amassed to around 50 events, but most of them (from what I could tell) were merely callouts to see if anyone was interested in doing something, usually with no more than five respondents if even that many. The only ones that appeared successful at all were very large metro cities. Taking these facts into consideration, most American Wikipedians would have needed to travel several hours to get to an event that was most likely no more than a small group get-together, and much further to get to an actual large celebration.
The Pittsburgh party was pretty successful; although only a small number of people signed up for it on either ten.wikipedia.org or the Pittsburgh meetup page on Wikipedia, many more signed up on Facebook. It was held at a sports bar during a Pittsburgh Steelers (American) football game, which wasn't scheduled until after we had picked the time and place for the party. There was actually a 15-minute wait to get in at some points. Nonetheless, dozens of Wikipedians and Wikipedia supporters showed up over the course of the evening. We only gave shirts to those who had registered (either on Facebook or a wiki) and we gave out all but (I believe) 4 shirts out of the 50 in the box.
Some people did, in fact, drive hours to get there... and are planning to do so for some regular meetups now!
Here are some pictures and a bit about how the party was, for those interested: http://ragesoss.com/blog/2011/01/17/wikimedians-are-awesome-and-wp10-pittsbu...
But we do, definitely, need better tools for gathering people together... the US, in general, doesn't have nearly as many meetups as it ought to.
-Sage
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I think Jay had the most-correct answer- -- campus associations are our best bet. They work for organizations like Mozilla, and there's a natural constituency for us on campuses: students and professors. Plus campuses are really good at hosting small/impromptu/semi-official events. And I know that in university towns I've lived in (Peterborough, St. John's, Fredericton, Halifax, Toronto), there's usually good free event listing sites that lots of locals read, including non-university people who care about cultural stuff.
I wonder if the McGill group hosted an event, or the U Michigan group?
Sent from my phone: please forgive any typos or terseness. On Jan 19, 2011 3:33 PM, "Michael Peel" email@mikepeel.net wrote:
I wonder: how many how many events are being organised by chapters, how
many by the Wikimedia community, and how many by Wikimedia readers? Where is the bottleneck here - is it a lack of a US chapter, or does the community not feel 'empowered' (or insert a buzzword of your choice here), are we not communicating effectively to the US reader community, or is it a simple geographical issue? Put another way, how do we encourage the US community to be even more active with offline activities?
The same questions apply globally. Everyone's been doing fantastic things
over the last month, but how do we turn that into something that is sustainable and can grow over the next [5 years/decade], in time for the [15/20]th birthday celebrations? In the UK (where I've been active), there have been three fantastic events (Bristol, Jimmy's party, and the British Library event - organised by three different people) - but that's a tiny number compared to how many events could have been run across the country if there had been more people engaged in organising them.
Mike
On 19 Jan 2011, at 22:09, Sage Ross wrote:
On Tue, Jan 18, 2011 at 8:58 PM, Rob Schnautz schnautzr@gmail.com
wrote:
There were no more than 40 states which attempted to hold events. These amassed to around 50 events, but most of them (from what I could tell) were merely callouts to see if anyone was interested in doing something, usually with no more than five respondents if even that many. The only ones that appeared successful at all were very large metro cities. Taking these facts into consideration, most American Wikipedians would have needed to travel several hours to get to an event that was most likely no more than a small group get-together, and much further to get to an actual large celebration.
The Pittsburgh party was pretty successful; although only a small number of people signed up for it on either ten.wikipedia.org or the Pittsburgh meetup page on Wikipedia, many more signed up on Facebook. It was held at a sports bar during a Pittsburgh Steelers (American) football game, which wasn't scheduled until after we had picked the time and place for the party. There was actually a 15-minute wait to get in at some points. Nonetheless, dozens of Wikipedians and Wikipedia supporters showed up over the course of the evening. We only gave shirts to those who had registered (either on Facebook or a wiki) and we gave out all but (I believe) 4 shirts out of the 50 in the box.
Some people did, in fact, drive hours to get there... and are planning to do so for some regular meetups now!
Here are some pictures and a bit about how the party was, for those interested:
http://ragesoss.com/blog/2011/01/17/wikimedians-are-awesome-and-wp10-pittsbu...
But we do, definitely, need better tools for gathering people together... the US, in general, doesn't have nearly as many meetups as it ought to.
-Sage
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After talking with Barry and Annie Lin, it seemed like a lot of the American university groups we've connected with would be off on winter break for the actual anniversary, so it was more likely we would get events later.
That has so far been the case. The U Michigan group is holding a trivia night in early February (and we sent them merchandise): http://ten.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ann_Arbor,_MI
On Jan 22, 2011, at 6:33 PM, Sue Gardner wrote:
I think Jay had the most-correct answer- -- campus associations are our best bet. They work for organizations like Mozilla, and there's a natural constituency for us on campuses: students and professors. Plus campuses are really good at hosting small/impromptu/semi-official events. And I know that in university towns I've lived in (Peterborough, St. John's, Fredericton, Halifax, Toronto), there's usually good free event listing sites that lots of locals read, including non-university people who care about cultural stuff.
I wonder if the McGill group hosted an event, or the U Michigan group?
Sent from my phone: please forgive any typos or terseness.
On Jan 19, 2011 3:33 PM, "Michael Peel" email@mikepeel.net wrote:
I wonder: how many how many events are being organised by chapters, how many by the Wikimedia community, and how many by Wikimedia readers? Where is the bottleneck here - is it a lack of a US chapter, or does the community not feel 'empowered' (or insert a buzzword of your choice here), are we not communicating effectively to the US reader community, or is it a simple geographical issue? Put another way, how do we encourage the US community to be even more active with offline activities?
The same questions apply globally. Everyone's been doing fantastic things over the last month, but how do we turn that into something that is sustainable and can grow over the next [5 years/decade], in time for the [15/20]th birthday celebrations? In the UK (where I've been active), there have been three fantastic events (Bristol, Jimmy's party, and the British Library event - organised by three different people) - but that's a tiny number compared to how many events could have been run across the country if there had been more people engaged in organising them.
Mike
On 19 Jan 2011, at 22:09, Sage Ross wrote:
On Tue, Jan 18, 2011 at 8:58 PM, Rob Schnautz schnautzr@gmail.com wrote:
There were no more than 40 states which attempted to hold events. These amassed to around 50 events, but most of them (from what I could tell) were merely callouts to see if anyone was interested in doing something, usually with no more than five respondents if even that many. The only ones that appeared successful at all were very large metro cities. Taking these facts into consideration, most American Wikipedians would have needed to travel several hours to get to an event that was most likely no more than a small group get-together, and much further to get to an actual large celebration.
The Pittsburgh party was pretty successful; although only a small number of people signed up for it on either ten.wikipedia.org or the Pittsburgh meetup page on Wikipedia, many more signed up on Facebook. It was held at a sports bar during a Pittsburgh Steelers (American) football game, which wasn't scheduled until after we had picked the time and place for the party. There was actually a 15-minute wait to get in at some points. Nonetheless, dozens of Wikipedians and Wikipedia supporters showed up over the course of the evening. We only gave shirts to those who had registered (either on Facebook or a wiki) and we gave out all but (I believe) 4 shirts out of the 50 in the box.
Some people did, in fact, drive hours to get there... and are planning to do so for some regular meetups now!
Here are some pictures and a bit about how the party was, for those interested: http://ragesoss.com/blog/2011/01/17/wikimedians-are-awesome-and-wp10-pittsbu...
But we do, definitely, need better tools for gathering people together... the US, in general, doesn't have nearly as many meetups as it ought to.
-Sage
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I do think that a new emphasis on regionalism could help more US Wikimedians (and those in other decentralized countries) to feel 'empowered' to organize their own events.
This is a related proposal, though organization on this scale does not necessarily mean formal chapters:
http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia_United_States_Chapters_Council
Thanks, Richard (User:Pharos)
On Wed, Jan 19, 2011 at 5:33 PM, Michael Peel email@mikepeel.net wrote:
I wonder: how many how many events are being organised by chapters, how many by the Wikimedia community, and how many by Wikimedia readers? Where is the bottleneck here - is it a lack of a US chapter, or does the community not feel 'empowered' (or insert a buzzword of your choice here), are we not communicating effectively to the US reader community, or is it a simple geographical issue? Put another way, how do we encourage the US community to be even more active with offline activities?
The same questions apply globally. Everyone's been doing fantastic things over the last month, but how do we turn that into something that is sustainable and can grow over the next [5 years/decade], in time for the [15/20]th birthday celebrations? In the UK (where I've been active), there have been three fantastic events (Bristol, Jimmy's party, and the British Library event - organised by three different people) - but that's a tiny number compared to how many events could have been run across the country if there had been more people engaged in organising them.
Mike
On 19 Jan 2011, at 22:09, Sage Ross wrote:
On Tue, Jan 18, 2011 at 8:58 PM, Rob Schnautz schnautzr@gmail.com wrote:
There were no more than 40 states which attempted to hold events. These amassed to around 50 events, but most of them (from what I could tell) were merely callouts to see if anyone was interested in doing something, usually with no more than five respondents if even that many. The only ones that appeared successful at all were very large metro cities. Taking these facts into consideration, most American Wikipedians would have needed to travel several hours to get to an event that was most likely no more than a small group get-together, and much further to get to an actual large celebration.
The Pittsburgh party was pretty successful; although only a small number of people signed up for it on either ten.wikipedia.org or the Pittsburgh meetup page on Wikipedia, many more signed up on Facebook. It was held at a sports bar during a Pittsburgh Steelers (American) football game, which wasn't scheduled until after we had picked the time and place for the party. There was actually a 15-minute wait to get in at some points. Nonetheless, dozens of Wikipedians and Wikipedia supporters showed up over the course of the evening. We only gave shirts to those who had registered (either on Facebook or a wiki) and we gave out all but (I believe) 4 shirts out of the 50 in the box.
Some people did, in fact, drive hours to get there... and are planning to do so for some regular meetups now!
Here are some pictures and a bit about how the party was, for those interested: http://ragesoss.com/blog/2011/01/17/wikimedians-are-awesome-and-wp10-pittsbu...
But we do, definitely, need better tools for gathering people together... the US, in general, doesn't have nearly as many meetups as it ought to.
-Sage
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