Hello Maggie, hello all,_______________________________________________If you can communicate on the subject, when was your team first made aware of the situation ? Trying to figure out how long this has lasted.And were affected users (by which I mean users who had their emails and passwords reset) ultimately able to recover their accounts ? Or will they be ?Thank you for letting us know of the issue.Roger / AlphosLe 14 sept. 2021 à 10:48, William Chan <william@wchan.hk> a écrit :Hi Andres,I am not Maggie (definitely here) but as far as I know, some members from the zhwp are also affected. If I am correct, it is their email being removed and password got reset.William_______________________________________________On Tue, 14 Sept 2021 at 16:45, Andreas Kolbe <jayen466@gmail.com> wrote:_______________________________________________Hi Maggie,Thanks for your post; I have two questions.1. What is the status of Mardetanha, the Iranian steward and past (even very recent) author of Wikimedia blog posts (which link his real name to his user name)?[1][2]Judging by https://meta.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?diff=21964430 where he says, using his alt account,Yes, we are all locked until "voluntarily" resign to get back our account back [[User:Mard|Mard]] ([[User talk:Mard|talk]]) 12:06, 1 September 2021 (UTC)his account must be locked. But I can't find any recent actions related to his account in the public logs on Meta.[3] What am I missing?
2. Speaking of project capture, the Kazakh Wikipedia was captured by state actors almost a decade ago (with the Foundation's blessing at the time, and public regrets later[4]).Are there any functionaries in Kazakhstan that will be impacted by these changes?
Andreas
[1] https://diff.wikimedia.org/author/mohsen-salek/[3] https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Special:Log?type=&user=&page=User%3AMardetanha&wpdate=&tagfilter=&wpfilters%5B%5D=newusers
[4] https://eurasianet.org/wikipedia-founder-distances-himself-from-kazakhstan-pr-machine
On Monday, September 13, 2021, Maggie Dennis <mdennis@wikimedia.org> wrote:Hi, again.I just realized I failed to answer one of the questions. I'm sorry; it's rather late in my day, and I didn't mean to overlook it. In addition to what was noted earlier, I believe it was 12 other users who were contacted and asked to adjust their behavior to work within community policies, especially regarding "canvassing" and good faith collaboration with other users.Best,MaggieOn Mon, Sep 13, 2021 at 6:21 PM Maggie Dennis <mdennis@wikimedia.org> wrote:Hello, all.First, our apologies for the translation. We had hoped to provide this service to make it easier for our Chinese language communities, but clearly it didn't work out as we had hoped. I'm enormously grateful to say that a Chinese translation is now available on Meta: https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Office_actions/September_2021_statement/zh <3 We are actively seeking to increase our capacity in Chinese and several other languages, and I hope some people will apply! https://boards.greenhouse.io/wikimedia/jobs/3374682?gh_src=b62d5dae1usWith respect to the NDA policy change, this was indeed very obliquely addressed on September 1st here,[1] at which point we felt the need to be very oblique in our response because we were still actively attempting to communicate with all users impacted. We knew, of course, that experienced Wikimedians would be able to connect the dots but were hoping to avoid attracting external attention by bad actors that might put some of these people in danger. Not being a lawyer, I'm still a little nervous about saying the wrong thing (my teams were more involved in implementing than directing that policy change), but it's probably obvious to everyone by now that you have correctly named the immediate jurisdictions of concern.I do want to say, though, that the policy was written to address a challenge which is likely to be ongoing: we are not just in danger of infiltration, but of attack through the extortion or potentially persecution of publicly identifiable people with access to personal information. The intention is not to shut down access to everyone in every such jurisdiction who has ever blocked Wikimedia sites, but to flag for the Foundation's legal department the need to review in such cases. Because of that, depending on the current risks of which we are aware, the list of impacted jurisdictions may change. I would hope that people will not hesitate to apply; rejection of a signed NDA in such cases is by no means a personal judgment and may be a step taken to protect not only our communities, but those users themselves and those they love.Best,MaggieOn Mon, Sep 13, 2021 at 5:43 PM effe iets anders <effeietsanders@gmail.com> wrote:Thank you Maggie, for the announcement. It's a sad day, and I'm sure there were many sad actions that resulted in this.Two questions from my end:* Could you commit to making a better translation available (through community processes or otherwise) for the record? I think this decision may be referred to quite a bit in the future, so it's valuable to have an accurate translation available to the Chinese community.* What countries are affected currently by the NDA decision? It is suggested that China and Iran are, but I can't find an authoritative list (but may be looking at the wrong place). This would be helpful for volunteers from countries that are wondering if they should even bother to apply for positions. The definition "blocked access" is a bit fluid. I'm assuming here that the fact that a country is on this list, is not a secret in itself.Best,Lodewijk_______________________________________________On Mon, Sep 13, 2021 at 11:06 AM William Chan <william@wchan.hk> wrote:Hi Leo,I think that this is a Google Translation product. But yes, it is in such bad shape where even Chinese natives can barely read. But I acknowledge the fact that the urgency and secrecy of the matter made consulting external parties, to the extent, even contractors working for WMF, impossible.To Maggie,May I ask if there is a certain number for the amount of users linked with the unrecognized user group being warned? There is no request for the list of users, just the number would be fine. The Wikipedia communities in Hong Kong need to access the total damage dealt to the user group who had persistently engaged in activities harassing the safety of Hong Kong Users.Regards,William Chan_______________________________________________On Tue, 14 Sept 2021 at 01:58, Leo Z <leo@asianmonth.wiki> wrote:_______________________________________________Hi Maggie,
Thanks for the prompt response. I do not know who those ‘native speakers’ are, perhaps that’s just a way to avoid providing language proficiency certificate. I do not know. Google translation might even do better.
I am more than certain that this translation is not just faulty or unsatisfactory, but terrible if not horrifying, disastrous, or outright shocking for an acclaimed international organization. The issue for this specific translation is not with 'movement-specific' terms, but a significant lack of elementary understanding regarding the fundamental grammatical structure of the Chinese language. I will refrain from listing specific examples here (there are plenty), but those mistakes are hilarious, if not outright absurd. Whoever translated this text might barely pass an AP Chinese exam.
Please consult a professor in Chinese language at Berkeley or CCSF or even just a language school, or perhaps consult someone from ChinaSF, maybe even a Chinese speaking professional from HSBC or wherever. There are plenty, if you feel it’s necessary. I’m more than certain they will offer similar opinions.
Sincere hope for a better translation,LeoOn Sep 14, 2021, 1:17 AM +0800, Maggie Dennis <mdennis@wikimedia.org>, wrote:
Hello, all.A few responses.First, Nathan and William, we will share as much information as we can, but will need to be careful about what we say about the individuals involved for legal and safety reasons. This is indeed related to increasing resilience across Wikipedias and not at all specifically for ZhWP. I do think it's important for us to offer some additional support there, given the current situation, but we are looking at increasing safety everywhere.
Leo, thank you for your feedback on the translation, which was provided by native Chinese speakers. Since I myself am completely unable to read Chinese, I don't know the nature of the issue, but I do know that in the past we have had some issues with movement-specific terms being translated. I recall once when "free in speech" was mistranslated as "free as in beer" - which we always deliberately try to avoid. :)Best,Maggie
On Mon, Sep 13, 2021 at 12:45 PM Nathan <nawrich@gmail.com> wrote:Maggie,_______________________________________________Thank you for taking these very difficult actions to protect both the members of our community as well as the values that it seeks to uphold. I also appreciate the degree of transparency provided and hope that more information will be disclosed as it is appropriate. I imagine questions will be asked about how these individual accounts were selected for office actions and the contours of the risk both to the individuals behind these accounts and the wider community. Any information that the WMF is able to safely share will help all of us understand better what the threats are and how we may better support the movement's goals in jurisdictions where our values are not respected.Thank you again,Nathan
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