[Pardon the cross-posts - and the English message] - Please forward as
well!
Hi everyone,
March is Women's History Month, and this will be the second year for
WikiWomen's History Month, an *international* collaborative event that
takes place offline at edit-a-thons and online through project focuses.
Events and projects focus on improving women's history coverage on any
language project. We have a page on English Wikipedia, like last year,
to gather all of the events:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiWomen%27s_History_Month
So far we have events in South America, Europe and the United States.
I hope you'll consider throwing an event in your town, village, or city
- or do a women's history focus for your WikiProject - large or small!
Sarah
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This is a late update for those who don't know about Wikimania 2013
Hong Kong, and a gentle reminder for those who are already aware of
the annual Wikimedia conference that is being organized in Hong Kong
on 7-11 August 2013. Scholarships to cover travel and living expenses
are available for long-term contributors of our projects. If you are
a long-term contributor to Wikipedia or any other Wikimedia projects,
I would strongly recommend that you apply. Looking forward to a
positive response, Anirudh.
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From: Simon Shek <simon.shek(a)wikimedia.hk>
Date: Tue, Jan 22, 2013 at 11:58 AM
Subject: [Wikimania-l] Wikimania 2013 scholarship now accepting application
To: "Wikimania general list (open subscription)"
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Hi all,
Scholarship applications for Wikimania 2013 in Hong Kong are being
accept. The application window is one month (through 22 February).
Wikimania 2013 scholarship is an award given to an individual to
enable them to attend Wikimania in Hong Kong from 7-11 August, 2013.
Two type of scholarships will be available this year. Partial
scholarships will cover travel expenses to Wikimania, capped at 50% of
the estimated air fare from your nearest international airport
according to [[wm2013:Getting to Hong Kong]]. Full scholarships will
cover round-trip travel, dorms accommodations as arranged by the
Wikimania Team, and registration for Wikimania 2013.
Applicants will be rated on the following four dimensions:
1. Activity within Wikimedia (on-wiki and off-wiki) - 50%
2. Activity outside of Wikimedia and other free knowledge/software
projects - 15%
3. Interest in Wikimania and the Wikimedia movement - 25%
4. Fluency of English language - 10%
To learn more about Wikimania 2013 scholarships, please visit
https://wikimania2013.wikimedia.org/wiki/Scholarships
To apply for a scholarship, you can fill out the application form
here: https://scholarship.wikimedia.hk
If you have any question, email us at wikimania-shcolarship(a)wikimedia.org .
Good luck!
Simon Shek
Community coordinator - Wikimania 2013 / Wikimedia Hong Kong
wikimedia.hk
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Young Khmer pioneers blaze a Wikipedia trail
Rosa Ellen
http://phnompenhpost.com/7days/2864-young-khmer-pioneers-blaze-a-wikipedia-…
Keo Kounila, a blogger and “new media” consultant, tapped into
Wikipedia to find information on Keng Vannsak who, among other things,
invented the Khmer typewriter keyboard and was a mentor to the young
Pol Pot. She was shocked to find that in the vast expanse of
Wikipedia, Vannsak, one of the most famous Khmer intellectuals of the
20th century, was a nonentity.
Now the 24-year-old is one of scores of Cambodian contributors to
English Wikipedia and, in the past seven years,
the fledgling Khmer Wikipedia.
When you Google “Keng Vannsak” now, Kounila’s Wikipedia article is the
first result that comes up.
For Kounila, getting Cambodian intellectuals and places into Wikipedia
is a matter of almost national significance.
Until now there has never been a Khmer- language encyclopedia. Since
1967, Cambodia’s main published reference work has been the Chuon Nath
Khmer dictionary.
With so much written knowledge and literature having been destroyed
during the Khmer Rouge period, the potential
for both English and Khmer Wikipedia for a generation of young
internet users is enormous.
“I started with English Wikipedia first, because I thought other
people around the world would need to know more about Khmer,” Kounila
says.
“We have a lot of young people who are interested in sharing
knowledge, and they can’t keep it to themselves.”
The birth of Khmer Wikipedia in 2005 is all due to then-20-year-old
Phnom Penh university student Oum Vantharith, who received a message
on his Wikipedia user profile from a non-Khmer user called Jose77:
As you may have guessed already, a significant proportion of regular
contributors to this site know little or no Khmer, the message read.
We hope you can contribute, no matter what your language skills are.
The suggestion piqued Vantharith’s interest. Seven years later, Khmer
Wikipedia has more than 5,500 registered users and 10 administrators
– all of them volunteers.
With just under 4,000 articles, it is one of the infant versions of
this colossal collaborative project, but in the absence of
a standard Khmer reference tome like the English-language Encyclopedia
Britannica, the fledgling Khmer Wikipedia team
believes its impact could be significant.
The Wikimedia Foundation, the non-profit parent organisation of the
encyclopedia and its other wiki-projects, says its mission is “to
empower and engage people around the world to collect and develop
educational content under a free licence or in the public domain, and
to disseminate it effectively and globally.”
Initially, Vantharith used the free online encyclopedia for his
university assignments, but occasionally he was moved to add to
articles on Cambodia-related subjects.
A Khmer-language version of the site seemed a huge undertaking, to put
it mildly, especially given that Khmer Unicode — a standard digital
Khmer alphabet — had come into widespread use only a few years before.
For internet users who didn’t read English, how would Vantharith even
get the word out that there was a Khmer version, let alone convert
them to the church of Wiki?
Vantharith took up Jose77’s suggestion and began emailing him the
Khmer Unicode for the Wikipedia interface: the familiar heading, the
content box below it, and the sidebar to the right. They sent the code
back and forth until they had a template for a Khmer Wikipedia home
page and article.
“I started getting more involved in the project,” says Vanthirith,
who is now 27 and sports a Wikimania – Wikipedia’s annual global
conference — T-shirt.
“We don’t have good resources in our local language. We believe in a
free local resource that can benefit everyone.”
The Khmer Wikipedia creator is articulate and easy-going, with an
infectious enthusiasm for the Wikipedia mission, although being based
in Seoul means he can no longer oversee the physical organisation of
the Khmer Wikipedia project.
For the first few years, articles were submitted at a glacial rate.
Vantharith was too busy “patrolling” the site and editing entries to
write unique articles for the encyclopedia himself. After three years,
the encyclopedia had clocked up just 500 entries.
By late 2008, however, after Vantharith had extolled the project on
social media, contributions spiked and the encyclopedia received 274
new articles in one month.
“Some people don’t understand the essence of the movement. Some just
copied their own work into Wikipedia, but then (they) didn’t
understand that it could be edited by anyone,” he says.
Perhaps because it required some knowledge of code to edit, initial
contributions were from Khmers writing about computer operating
systems and mathematics, or highly specialised fields.
Kounila believes the verification process of English Wikipedia has
evolved a lot in just a few years. He cites Barack Obama’s page as an
example of a reference as well-cited as any published public
biography.
“Administrators are not writers; they are scholars and professors —
with such people (writing for Wikipedia), these articles are very
important. They can change people’s opinions,” she argues.
In April, 2011, the small community of Khmer Wikipedians held the
first off-line meeting at Hacker Space, a not-for-profit computer
workspace. Only three attended the first meet-up, including
16-year-old high- school student Tep Sovichet.
Sovichet had already contributed content to Khmer Wikipedia, including
articles on Cambodian mammals, open-source software and intestinal
diseases. Some of the information he found on native mammals was from
a book an uncle gave him; for intestinal diseases, his starting point
was a bunch of handwritten notes he found at home.
“Mostly, I focus on articles that are not on Wikipedia,” he says. “I
want Khmer people to know about Khmer articles.
At the moment, there’s not a lot they can search for in Khmer.”
English student and blogger Suon Sopheaktra, 23, buys Khmer history
and biographical books to use as his Khmer Wikipedia sources, but is
wary of intellectual copyright issues. He focuses on “history,
culture, people and literature” and submits his work as Word
documents, for the editors to upload.
Forty wannabe Wikipedians attended the third Khmer Wikipedia meet-up.
At the same time, Wikipedia streamlined its English-language version
to a Wordpress-style editing system so contributors didn’t have to
know code to edit articles.
“The primary motive is simply the joy of learning and the fact your
work will be read by hundreds of thousands, if not millions. It makes
more sense writing for Wikipedia than an esoteric journal no one has
heard of,” Anirudh Singh Bhati, a Phnom-Penh based legal consultant
and Wikipedian, says.
Bhati co-founded Wikimedia India and is one of Wikipedia’s 750 active
administrators. Like Sovichet and Vantharith, he hopes Khmer Wikipedia
will gain enough momentum to start its own Cambodia Wikimedia chapter,
give it direction and
raise the standard of editing, rather than publish a grab-bag of
subjects and themes.
But the 2011 success of the Khmer Wikipedians has dwindled again,
members say. They hope 2013 will be the year the flow of knowledge
resumes. The relatively small number of Khmer-language internet users
doesn’t mean progress on the grand project has to be slow, Bhati
points out.
With 400 million speakers, Hindi Wikipedia ought to have a stronger
presence than the Tamil-language version, Bhati says, but Tamil
Wikipedians are passionate about documenting and have seen the
encyclopedia grow exponentially. He believes Khmers have the same
passion.
“In Cambodia, English is still a second language, so the potential for
the Khmer- language Wikipedia to grow is very high.
Also, the people here are very proud of their language . . . I think
Khmer Wikipedia has a good future,” Bhati says.
Any Khmer Wikipedians interested in a camera? Please contact Victor at his
Wikimedia email address.
Kind Regards,
Anirudh
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From: Pradeep Mohandas <prad2609(a)yahoo.com>
Date: Thu, Jan 3, 2013 at 1:19 AM
Subject: [Wikimediaindia-l] Fw: [Wikimedia-l] Free Camera
To: Wikipedia India Mailing List <wikimediaindia-l(a)lists.wikimedia.org>
Hi,
Interesting offer. Apologies for cross posting and top posting.
Pradeep
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* To: * <wmfall(a)lists.wikimedia.org>; Wikimedia Mailing List <
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* Subject: * [Wikimedia-l] Free Camera
* Sent: * Wed, Jan 2, 2013 6:17:58 PM
Hi everyone,
I have a used point-and-shoot Canon Powershot SD1000 - 7.1 megapixel camera
with a case and an American power supply charger.
I would like it to go to a good home - preferably to a Wikipedian in a
remote place who would be interested in supplying photos of things in an
underrepresented region.
Please let me know if this could be of use to anyone. Thanks!
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Dear all,
I will organize a sharing event on Khmer Culture on Saturday November 10th
2012 from 7.30AM to 4PM probably in Zaman University the clear venue will
be inform soon.
Please register here if you are interested:
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/viewform?formkey=dDdZMnlSWFhQTFdsdjVOMn…
Thank
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Mr. Kimheng SOK
Lecturer of Computer Science and Communication (GIC)
Library Director
Institut de Technologie du Cambodge
P.O. Box 86, Russian Federation Boulevard
Phnom Penh, Cambodia
Mobile : (855) 17 988 892
Tel : (855) 23 880 370
Fax : (855) 23 880 369
E-mail : sok.kimheng(a)itc.edu.kh
sok.kimheng(a)gmail.com
Website: www.itc.edu.kh
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Social group web site:
Nokor Khmer Center (NKC) www.facebook.com/Nokor.Khmer.Center
Khmer For Khmer Group (K4K) http://k4kgroup.wordpress.com
Khmer Wikipedia (KMWP) http://km.wikipedia.org
Khmer Animation Team (KHAT) http://www.facebook.com/Khmeranimationteam
Khmer Young Entrepreneur (KYE) http://khmertalks.com
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FYI. The Wikimedia Foundation from San Francisco and Wikimedia
Deutschland, German chapter from Berlin have provided a generous travel
grant for our friend Vantharith Oum so that he could attend
BlogFest.Asia2012 for conducting a Wikimedia workshop. The workshop shall
be conducted tomorrow afternoon at Build Bright University. All
Wikimedians in Siem Reap and elsewhere are welcome to join in!
Please see http://2012.blogfest.asia for more information.
Thanks and Regards,
Anirudh Bhati
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From: Anirudh Bhati <anirudhsbh(a)gmail.com>
Date: Fri, Nov 2, 2012 at 9:46 AM
Subject: Wikimedia Workshop @ BlogFest.Asia 2012
To: blogfestsiemreap2012(a)googlegroups.com
Cc: Kounila Keo, Vantharith Oum
Dear Guests and Participants,
I would like to welcome you all to BlogFest.Asia 2012 on the behalf of the
Wikimedia Foundation and Wikimedia Deutschland. We are very glad to have
this opportunity for outreach at BlogFest.Asia and are thankful that our
Cambodian friends and organizers were very willing to have us partake over
here.
The Wikimedia Foundation is a non-profit charity organization based in San
Francisco, California that operates Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia and
other sister projects. The Wikipedia encyclopedia is the largest
encyclopedia in the world and is accessible online by anyone with an
Internet connection free of charge. The Wikimedia Foundation promotes the
use of free content around the world, and we encourage our readership to
give back to our community of editors and volunteers by sharing their time
and knowledge for the benefit of the entire world.
My colleague Vantharith Oum from Phnom Penh and I will be presenting the
Wikimedia point of view on 3 October 2012 to interested participants at
BlogFest.Asia. Please check the following link for the program schedule:
http://2012.blogfest.asia/program
The first session from 2.00pm to 3.30pm on 3 November 2012 will be in the
Khmer language and it will be hosted by Vantharith Oum. The second session
from 3.35pm to 4.35pm will be hosted by yours truly in the English
language. The aim of both the sessions will be to create awareness about
the Wikimedia universe and our online projects. We will also specifically
focus on using and contributing to the Wikimedia Commons, one of the
largest repositories of free licensed media around the world. Some of the
content of our workshop will also include discussions on copyrights, the
Public Domain, Creative Commons and other forms of free licensing.
*Since many of you will be visiting the ancient town of Angkor today, that
is, 2 November 2012, I would like to request you to please take as many
good pictures as possible from the perspective of uploading them to the
Wikimedia Commons later at our workshops. Your pictures may be utilized on
Wikipedia articles about the culture, heritage and history of Angkor and
Cambodia, and will potentially be accessed by hundreds of thousands (and
even millions) of people around the world.*
Please follow the link below to learn more about the process:
http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Special:UploadWizard
We will be around and available at BlogFest.Asia to meet and discuss with
you if you have any questions related to Wikimedia. We thank you for your
time and look forward to meeting you at BlogFest.Asia 2012!
Sincerely yours,
Anirudh Bhati
Skype: anirudhsbh
Dear all,
Please take 2 minutes go to this link :
http://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=474915455861310
Read 2 lines words and if it is good and you proud of it. Take one second
to click on share button.
Soon there will be a small presentation about it, and welcome everyone to
joins.
Thank in advance and have a nice time.
--
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Mr. Kimheng SOK
Lecturer of Computer Science and Communication (GIC)
Library Director
Institut de Technologie du Cambodge
P.O. Box 86, Russian Federation Boulevard
Phnom Penh, Cambodia
Mobile : (855) 17 988 892
Tel : (855) 23 880 370
Fax : (855) 23 880 369
E-mail : sok.kimheng(a)itc.edu.kh
sok.kimheng(a)gmail.com
Website: www.itc.edu.kh
======================================
Social group web site:
Khmer For Khmer Group (K4K) http://k4kgroup.wordpress.com
Khmer Wikipedia (KMWP) http://km.wikipedia.org
Khmer Young Entrepreneur (KYE) http://khmertalks.com
======================================
Dear Kimheng and other Khmer Wikipedians,
I'm attending #WikiWomen Camp in Buenos Aires, Argentina. The 3-day event
really helps me see the potential activities related to Wikipedia that can
happen in the next months or years in Cambodia.
I really appreciate the work that has been done by Vantharith and the rest
of the Khmer Wikipedian members.
At the workshop here involves women from all over the world, and they talk
about the participation of women in Wikimedia movement. From 9-10% of the
Wikipedia contributors are female. That clearly means that there is a lake
of female participation -- not to mention the male involvement in our
country.
My friends from journalism school (journalism students) and I
will*organize an informal meet-up on one of the weekends
*: "*Wikipedia takes Phnom Penh*". We invite friends who have cameras and
laptops to meet at one cafe. There will probably be around 20 of us to
join. Please join us if you're in Phnom Penh. Its informal and it won't be
anything serious, lots of fun involved.
The reason why we're doing is that we want to increase the number of
pictures taken in Phnom Penh in the Wiki Commons. At the same time, we'll
help increase articles about Phnom Penh on English as well as Khmer
Wikipedia.
This is just a call to other Wikipedians in town who are interested to
join. ;-)
Kounila
On Sun, Oct 9, 2011 at 12:11 AM, Kimheng SOK <sok.kimheng(a)gmail.com> wrote:
> Dear all,
>
> We have a Wiki Group on facebook, my recommendation is to post an event
> public on facebook so that many people will noticed.
> The information should publish 2 weeks or 1 week before the meeting day.
>
> Wiki general group: http://www.facebook.com/groups/146019522138334/
> Wiki History group: http://www.facebook.com/groups/225840940780357/
> Wiki Buddhism group: http://www.facebook.com/groups/200051976712856/
> IT group and they are part of Wiki IT group:
> http://www.facebook.com/groups/ustalkshare/
>
> Some others group are also interested in Wiki project, so if the official
> meeting has set, just inform me I will help to spread the information.
>
> Best Regards,
>
>
>
> On Sun, Oct 9, 2011 at 9:39 AM, Kounila Keo <kounilakeo(a)gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Since we have not received a sufficient response, Anirudh has asked me to
>> reschedule this meeting on the next weekend.
>>
>> Kounila
>> On 7 Oct 2011 00:48, "សុខ ឡាក់" <mrsoklak(a)gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Dear Miss. Kounila,
>>>
>>> Thanks for your answer and information.
>>>
>>> However, could you tell the specific for meeting. I want to join it, but
>>> I have a busy schedule this Sunday.
>>>
>>> Hope to see you!
>>>
>>> Best Regards,
>>> Sok Lak
>>>
>>> On Thu, Oct 6, 2011 at 10:24 PM, Kounila Keo <kounilakeo(a)gmail.com>wrote:
>>>
>>>> Hi Sok Lak,
>>>>
>>>> As mentioned in the previous emails, the agenda will be about Wikipedia
>>>> and other Wikimedia projects.
>>>>
>>>> Most of the wiki pages about Cambodia are written either by foreigners
>>>> or non-residents Cambodians (who live in foreign countries right now).
>>>>
>>>> So it is time to engage a community of Cambodian users to contribute to
>>>> the wiki content about Cambodia or other Wikimedia projects that Anirudh
>>>> will suggest in the meeting.
>>>>
>>>> I hope this link can help you find HackerSpace in Phnom Penh, which is
>>>> close to Tuol Tumpoung market:
>>>> http://www.hackerspacepp.org/find-contact-hackerspacepp/
>>>>
>>>> See you soon, Sok Lak
>>>>
>>>> Kounila
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> 2011/10/6 សុខ ឡាក់ <mrsoklak(a)gmail.com>
>>>>
>>>>> Dear Sir,
>>>>>
>>>>> Could you tell me what do we meeting? What topic will we discuss? By
>>>>> the way, help to show address location of Hackerspace Phnom Penh where we
>>>>> meet.
>>>>>
>>>>> Best Regards,
>>>>> Sok Lak
>>>>> The Writing Alliance
>>>>> http://writingalliance.blogspot.com/
>>>>>
>>>>> On Thu, Oct 6, 2011 at 3:52 PM, Anirudh Bhati <anirudhsbh(a)gmail.com>wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Hello Wikimedians!
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I'm trying to get together a small meeting of dedicated Wikimedia
>>>>>> users, contributors and enthusiasts at Hackerspace Phnom Penh on
>>>>>> Sunday, 9 October 2011. I would really appreciate it if Wikimedians
>>>>>> who are interested in building a local community come together and
>>>>>> help me with this endeavour, so that we may have regular meet-ups in
>>>>>> our city.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> If you are interested in being a part of this effort, please respond
>>>>>> as soon as possible. As of now, I am undecided on the time, but will
>>>>>> go by what is most convenient to the participants.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> If you have any questions, do not hesitate to contact me by email or
>>>>>> call me at the phone number provided in the signature of this email.
>>>>>> Looking forward to responses by interested participants.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Yours sincerely,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Anirudh Bhati
>>>>>>
>>>>>> +855 975 529 803
>>>>>> Skype: anirudhsbh
>>>>>>
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>>>>>
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>>>>
>>>>
>>>> --
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>>>> Reporter
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Graduate of Media & Communication
>>>> Royal University of Phnom Penh
>>>> Blog: www.blueladyblog.com
>>>> Tel: +855 92 621 431
>>>> SKYPE: keokounila001
>>>> YahooM: kounila_keo
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>>>> matter and those who matter don't mind.
>>>>
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> Mr. Kimheng SOK
>
> Lecturer of Computer Science and Communication (GIC)
> Library Director
> Institut de Technologie du Cambodge
> P.O. Box 86, Russian Federation Boulevard
> Phnom Penh, Cambodia
> Mobile : (855) 17 988 892
> Tel : (855) 23 880 370
> Fax : (855) 23 880 369
> E-mail : sok.kimheng(a)itc.edu.kh
> sok.kimheng(a)gmail.com
> Website: www.itc.edu.kh
> ======================================
> Social group web site:
> Khmer For Khmer Group (K4K) http://k4kgroup.wordpress.com
> Khmer Wikipedia (KMWP) http://km.wikipedia.org
> Khmer Young Entrepreneur (KYE) http://khmertalks.com
> ======================================
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Royal University of Phnom Penh
Blog: www.blueladyblog.com
Tel: +855 92 621 431
SKYPE: keokounila001
YahooM: kounila_keo
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Be who you are and say what you feel because those who mind don't matter
and those who matter don't mind.