I assume most people on this list know about the wikiproject https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:WikiProject_Genealogy but I thought I'd mention it, because it seems there aren't that many members yet.
I've been looking at BMD records in Australia, and am wondering how I can cite them. It's easy to create an item for each registry, and add that as a 'stated in' property in a reference, but one also needs to cite the registration number, and often the district and year. Does anyone have an idea of the correct approach? Do we need to request a new property or two?
Are civil registry districts considered "administrative districts"? I created https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Q42333974 as an example of a person with this sort of reference, and https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Q42650404 as an example of a civil registry district, but I'm not sure I've done them in the best way.
http://tinyurl.com/y92fjjbs is WDQS list of all the civil registries that Wikidata knows about so far. Lots missing! Please add ones you know about. :-)
—Sam.
Sam Wilson, 05/11/2017 11:24:
Are civil registry districts considered "administrative districts"?
If you're just asking about Australia I don't know, but if you mean in general then I don't think there's a general answer. There is a lot of variance in terms of content, responsible entities and geographical distribution.
For instance in Italy the "registro dello stato civile" is handled by municipalities but then there are things handled by a "notaio", who can be anywhere but eventually deposits records in the state archives organised by province. And then some things are handled directly by some ministry or agency thereof, and some others are elsewhere (e.g. churches).
So maybe you'd need to define what kind of information you're looking for, e.g. X <registry for> birth/death information (qualifiers: after 19xx, within area Y, by law/custom/whatever).
Federico
Good point, perhaps it is too nationally varied.
So in Italy, what properties would you use on a reference to a birth record, for example?
On Mon, 6 Nov 2017, at 04:51 AM, Federico Leva (Nemo) wrote:
Sam Wilson, 05/11/2017 11:24:
Are civil registry districts considered "administrative districts"?
If you're just asking about Australia I don't know, but if you mean in general then I don't think there's a general answer. There is a lot of variance in terms of content, responsible entities and geographical distribution.
For instance in Italy the "registro dello stato civile" is handled by municipalities but then there are things handled by a "notaio", who can be anywhere but eventually deposits records in the state archives organised by province. And then some things are handled directly by some ministry or agency thereof, and some others are elsewhere (e.g. churches).
So maybe you'd need to define what kind of information you're looking for, e.g. X <registry for> birth/death information (qualifiers: after 19xx, within area Y, by law/custom/whatever).
Federico
Sam Wilson, 06/11/2017 06:35:
So in Italy, what properties would you use on a reference to a birth record, for example?
I don't know about properties, but for people born in the 1960s or later it should be possible to ask (a transcript of) the birth certificate from the municipality of birth. I'm not sure you get a protocol number or whatever that could be cited and be valid for others, though. People who tried using such sources on the Italian Wikipedia have faced immense opposition.
Federico
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