At the IRC hour on Structured Data for Commons tonight, (log: https://tools.wmflabs.org/meetbot/wikimedia-office/2014/wikimedia-office.201... )
Susanna gave the link to the impressive Wikimaps metadata spreadsheet, https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1Hn8VQ1rBgXj3avkUktjychEhluLQQJl5v6WR...
but this made me wonder: is every single map notable, in the sense of meriting its own Wikidata Q-number ?
For example, consider https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Category:England_Delineated_%281800%29_by...
a set of fairly simple sketch maps of English counties, published in a schoolbook in 1790.
Should each map individually have a Q-number ? Or instead, should just the book and the edition have Q-numbers ?
The question is similar to that of books of engravings, such as eg https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Category:Views_of_the_Seats_of_Noblemen_a...
Should each engraving have an individual Q-number ? Or instead, just the book and the edition, with details specific to the individual engraving (of which we may have more than one scan) kept on the CommonsData page for the file ?
For maps there is some clear per-map metadata, even when they are part of a set -- for example location, bounding boxes, etc.
Is it right to assume that there will always be a WikiData item for this to live in? Or in some cases, would it have to live on CommonsData? And will a copy of it need to live on CommonsData anyway, to facilitate rapid sorting / filtering of a collection of images ?
Have there been any discussions that we know of in the Wikidata community about this?
-- James.
Just to add, a similar question is where a map is split over several sheets, that have been individually scanned, eg https://www.flickr.com/photos/britishlibrary/tags/sysnum000307469
or the map of London over pages 8 to 26 of https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Category:District_Railway_Guide_to_London...
-- should each sheet have a separate Q-number? Or, if each sheet does not have its own Q-number, does that mean that at least sometimes we need to store bounding-box information on Commons ?
-- James.
On 03/09/2014 22:57, James Heald wrote:
At the IRC hour on Structured Data for Commons tonight, (log: https://tools.wmflabs.org/meetbot/wikimedia-office/2014/wikimedia-office.201... )
Susanna gave the link to the impressive Wikimaps metadata spreadsheet, https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1Hn8VQ1rBgXj3avkUktjychEhluLQQJl5v6WR...
but this made me wonder: is every single map notable, in the sense of meriting its own Wikidata Q-number ?
For example, consider https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Category:England_Delineated_%281800%29_by...
a set of fairly simple sketch maps of English counties, published in a schoolbook in 1790.
Should each map individually have a Q-number ? Or instead, should just the book and the edition have Q-numbers ?
The question is similar to that of books of engravings, such as eg https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Category:Views_of_the_Seats_of_Noblemen_a...
Should each engraving have an individual Q-number ? Or instead, just the book and the edition, with details specific to the individual engraving (of which we may have more than one scan) kept on the CommonsData page for the file ?
For maps there is some clear per-map metadata, even when they are part of a set -- for example location, bounding boxes, etc.
Is it right to assume that there will always be a WikiData item for this to live in? Or in some cases, would it have to live on CommonsData? And will a copy of it need to live on CommonsData anyway, to facilitate rapid sorting / filtering of a collection of images ?
Have there been any discussions that we know of in the Wikidata community about this?
-- James.
Hi James,
Your questions are to the point. We would need to address the wider communities in Wikidata and Commons about this. It's a chicken and egg question that will keep us occupied unless we find a way to deal with it while waiting for the practices to settle.
My question is: What is the advantage of making a notability divide in maps? For all that I know, maps are copyright protected materials.
Susanna
2014-09-04 1:25 GMT+03:00 James Heald j.heald@ucl.ac.uk:
Just to add, a similar question is where a map is split over several sheets, that have been individually scanned, eg https://www.flickr.com/photos/britishlibrary/tags/sysnum000307469
or the map of London over pages 8 to 26 of https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Category:District_ Railway_Guide_to_London_%281888%29
-- should each sheet have a separate Q-number? Or, if each sheet does not have its own Q-number, does that mean that at least sometimes we need to store bounding-box information on Commons ?
-- James.
On 03/09/2014 22:57, James Heald wrote:
At the IRC hour on Structured Data for Commons tonight, (log: https://tools.wmflabs.org/meetbot/wikimedia-office/2014/ wikimedia-office.2014-09-03-18.00.log.html )
Susanna gave the link to the impressive Wikimaps metadata spreadsheet, https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1Hn8VQ1rBgXj3avkUktjychEhluLQQ Jl5v6WRlI0LJho/edit#gid=0
but this made me wonder: is every single map notable, in the sense of meriting its own Wikidata Q-number ?
For example, consider https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Category:England_ Delineated_%281800%29_by_John_Aikin
a set of fairly simple sketch maps of English counties, published in a schoolbook in 1790.
Should each map individually have a Q-number ? Or instead, should just the book and the edition have Q-numbers ?
The question is similar to that of books of engravings, such as eg https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Category:Views_of_the_ Seats_of_Noblemen_and_Gentlemen_in_England,_Wales,_ Scotland_and_Ireland_%281818%29
Should each engraving have an individual Q-number ? Or instead, just the book and the edition, with details specific to the individual engraving (of which we may have more than one scan) kept on the CommonsData page for the file ?
For maps there is some clear per-map metadata, even when they are part of a set -- for example location, bounding boxes, etc.
Is it right to assume that there will always be a WikiData item for this to live in? Or in some cases, would it have to live on CommonsData? And will a copy of it need to live on CommonsData anyway, to facilitate rapid sorting / filtering of a collection of images ?
Have there been any discussions that we know of in the Wikidata community about this?
-- James.
Wikimaps mailing list Wikimaps@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimaps
Another side of the question you brought up is how to treat a map collection/series vs a sheet. We need a practice for this. You could probably describe how it is currently handled in Commons.
Susanna
2014-09-04 8:21 GMT+03:00 Susanna Ånäs susanna.anas@wikimedia.fi:
Hi James,
Your questions are to the point. We would need to address the wider communities in Wikidata and Commons about this. It's a chicken and egg question that will keep us occupied unless we find a way to deal with it while waiting for the practices to settle.
My question is: What is the advantage of making a notability divide in maps? For all that I know, maps are copyright protected materials.
Susanna
2014-09-04 1:25 GMT+03:00 James Heald j.heald@ucl.ac.uk:
Just to add, a similar question is where a map is split over several
sheets, that have been individually scanned, eg https://www.flickr.com/photos/britishlibrary/tags/sysnum000307469
or the map of London over pages 8 to 26 of https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Category:District_ Railway_Guide_to_London_%281888%29
-- should each sheet have a separate Q-number? Or, if each sheet does not have its own Q-number, does that mean that at least sometimes we need to store bounding-box information on Commons ?
-- James.
On 03/09/2014 22:57, James Heald wrote:
At the IRC hour on Structured Data for Commons tonight, (log: https://tools.wmflabs.org/meetbot/wikimedia-office/2014/ wikimedia-office.2014-09-03-18.00.log.html )
Susanna gave the link to the impressive Wikimaps metadata spreadsheet, https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1Hn8VQ1rBgXj3avkUktjychEhluLQQ Jl5v6WRlI0LJho/edit#gid=0
but this made me wonder: is every single map notable, in the sense of meriting its own Wikidata Q-number ?
For example, consider https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Category:England_ Delineated_%281800%29_by_John_Aikin
a set of fairly simple sketch maps of English counties, published in a schoolbook in 1790.
Should each map individually have a Q-number ? Or instead, should just the book and the edition have Q-numbers ?
The question is similar to that of books of engravings, such as eg https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Category:Views_of_the_ Seats_of_Noblemen_and_Gentlemen_in_England,_Wales,_ Scotland_and_Ireland_%281818%29
Should each engraving have an individual Q-number ? Or instead, just the book and the edition, with details specific to the individual engraving (of which we may have more than one scan) kept on the CommonsData page for the file ?
For maps there is some clear per-map metadata, even when they are part of a set -- for example location, bounding boxes, etc.
Is it right to assume that there will always be a WikiData item for this to live in? Or in some cases, would it have to live on CommonsData? And will a copy of it need to live on CommonsData anyway, to facilitate rapid sorting / filtering of a collection of images ?
Have there been any discussions that we know of in the Wikidata community about this?
-- James.
Wikimaps mailing list Wikimaps@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimaps
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