Hi,
Sam proposes switching to Cargo. However, from what I've heard (and I haven't used Cargo myself), Cargo is another beast and comes with its own problems as well. Someone with more experience with Cargo should probably assess whether it would be a good idea or not to use Cargo here. Maybe there's a way to do roughly the same queries by using categories instead, and the help of one of the available DynamicPageList extensions.
Best regards,
-- Jesús Martínez Ciencia Al Poder
El mié, 27 dic 2023 a las 2:29, Sam Wilson (sam@samwilson.id.au) escribió:
My understanding is that the basic structure of Wikiapiary is firstly a system of templates etc that stores data from the sites' pages into SMW and then reads it out for various reports; and secondly the scripts that populate the wikitext pages with data fetched from the sites (and extensions etc). The really valuable bits to me are the fact of having a categorized/tagged index to MediaWiki sites, and the extension popularity info. The first part of that is most valuable as a human-curated thing, so I think that'd make sense to get back online even if it wasn't bot-updated. The extension and other site info is silly to update by hand, but there isn't an absolute reason that the bots doing the updating need to be part of the WikiApiary infrastructure, so perhaps if WikiApiary was online, a new system of fetching site info could be built.
Then, of course, is the separate issue of *how* to store the info on the wiki. It's SMW at the moment, but it sounds like that hits some resource issues given the number of queries being run and the amount of data. Would Cargo be better? I feel like switching to that would be not an insurmountable thing to do (compared to say moving to Wikibase to store the data, which would be a bigger restructure). The individual sites' pages mightn't even need to be changed (if all the storage/querying logic is in templates and modules).
I vote for bringing it online again now, even if it's without SMW or the bots, and updating it to the latest MediaWiki. If any of that's possible of course.
Thank you for working on it! I'm not sure how much time I've got to help, but I'd love to try.
—Sam
On 27/12/23 08:47, Mark A. Hershberger wrote:
Triple Camera TripleCamera@outlook.com writes:
The database has been locked for half a year, Bots and editors are waiting, and they are losing patience. I believe the most urgent thing to do is to make WikiApiary back online as soon as possible.
If we brought WikiApiary back online right now without the bots, would that be acceptable?
I'm trying to understand what you need from the site and how you've used it, so any information you have would be useful.
If you or other users of the site can let us know how you would like to use it, that well help us make sure we are able bring it back online in as useful a way as possible.
Mark.
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