On 17-02-21 15:37:51, Faidon Liambotis wrote:
On Fri, Feb 17, 2017 at 06:35:58PM -0600, Marko Obrovac wrote:
On 16 February 2017 at 02:39, Giuseppe Lavagetto glavagetto@wikimedia.org wrote:
Can we hold on before we declare this document to be "definitive"?
One of our Q3 goals is to come up with a list of requirements for this brave-new world of dynamicity, so we have some time to keep the discussion going.
Unfortunately, as we explained pretty early during quarterly planning, we have no time to work on this not just now, but throughout this quarter (with Giuseppe working hard on the switchover quarterly goal, Alex on parental leave etc.). I don't anticipate finding the time to "keep the discussion going" much until your deadline and thus I don't believe we can end up with something definitive until then.
I think services and releng this quarter are both grappling with the integration of our respective responsibilities into a deployment pipeline and modern infrastructure.
For releng, the incipient deployment pipeline began to take shape after an inventory of the shortcomings of our CI and beta clusters. The shortcomings we identified are, I believe, intractable without a coordinated effort from development to production. This is plainly not possible without input from many teams.
I understand that ops has no explicit time for this during the current quarter. As such, I appreciate the responsiveness to this discussion.
Speaking for releng, nothing will be *final* by the end of this quarter. We are refining the needs of development, CI, and deployment.
My (possibly erroneous) feeling is that ops has a better handle on their requirements for a modernized infrastructure than the releng team. This is why it is necessary for the requirements gathering and discussion to begin early for us, and why we made it an explicit goal for this quarter [0].
Looking forward to working with you on this in the future :)
Likewise :)
Thanks!
-- Tyler
[0]. https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Wikimedia_Release_Engineering_Team/Goals/201617Q3