Below is a message I received from one of the researchers requesting supporthttp://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Research:Anonymity_and_conformity_over_the_netfor subject recruitment. I'm forwarding his questions because I think they get to the point of some of our discussions about sharing datasets and the redistribution of manuscripts produced as a result of a study.
I'd like to recommend that Michael withhold his dataset until he feels comfortable publishing it, but I have been advising him that he is unlikely to get scooped on the results of a survey he performed. I don't feel comfortable suggesting that he risk the rewards of his work against his own judgement.
As for the reuse rights. It seems like we have discussed this and decided that studies that simply come to RCom for help vetting their proposed research would not need to provide rights to distribute the manuscript. As a side-note, it is important that the language he references is changed to specify that the right to "adapt" the manuscript is *not* passed on to the Wikimedia Foundation. I'd like to tell him that this requirement does not apply to him since he did not receive substantial support, but on the other hand, he research plan involves contacting a rather large amount of Wikipedians. Thoughts?
-Aaron
---------- Forwarded message ---------- From: Michael Tsikerdekis tsikerdekis@gmail.com Date: Mon, Nov 14, 2011 at 2:13 PM Subject: Re: University Email account To: Aaron Halfaker aaron.halfaker@gmail.com
Hey Aaron, first of all thanks for all the support with the project. I started reviewing a couple of things so that i can have everything ready when the time comes. I need your help with a couple of things.
First, i decided to publish the open data under the CC-BY-SA 3.0 licence. I don't believe that there will be anyone that would actually claim the research analysis as there own based on someone else's survey. I do hope though that people might in the future reuse the data and cross-reference it with data from other research surveys. Do you think i should put anything in the data page like "data can be used for publishing in a scientific journal after the author of the survey publishes the results first"? Or does it sound dumb and i am being paranoid? :-)
The second thing is about the reuse rights "The author(s) of the manuscript retains a non-exclusive right to copy, distribute, transmit and adapt their work, and grants WMF a non-exclusive right to do the same" Most journals(if not all) grant an non-exclusive right for the author. I have no idea how to grant the same right to the WMF. I can put WMF as a co-author, but can you put an organization as a co-author? I could send an email to the journal when the time comes but i was wondering if you already know anything about it.
Mike
I am not sure this is within our scope, but since we have been discussing cooperation with research community (I still hope to read the relevant discussions this week and then write a proposal as agreed on the last Rcom meeting), I wanted to share that I by chance have come across this at Wikiversity
http://en.wikiversity.org/wiki/Lorentz-invariant_theory_of_gravitation
This is not my field, but this is just patent nonsense. This is written by user Fedosin, and refers mainly to the papers of Sergey Fedosin. None of them has been published in a refereed journal of any impact. He tried previously to write this nonsense as encyclopaedic article in Russian Wikipedia, and when I was still a sysop there, I supervised their deletion as the result of DR. Now he apparently moved to English Wikiversity.
I believe that as long as these articles exist on our projects, we can not really count on broad support of the research community.
Cheers Yaroslav
PS. I did not undertake any action since I have no idea on the policies of Wikiversity, and also I have heard bad things about this project, so that I do not want to be blocked there without reason.
Hello Aaron,
Sounds good what you say.
Kind regards Ziko
2011/11/15 Aaron Halfaker aaron.halfaker@gmail.com:
Below is a message I received from one of the researchers requesting support for subject recruitment. I'm forwarding his questions because I think they get to the point of some of our discussions about sharing datasets and the redistribution of manuscripts produced as a result of a study. I'd like to recommend that Michael withhold his dataset until he feels comfortable publishing it, but I have been advising him that he is unlikely to get scooped on the results of a survey he performed. I don't feel comfortable suggesting that he risk the rewards of his work against his own judgement. As for the reuse rights. It seems like we have discussed this and decided that studies that simply come to RCom for help vetting their proposed research would not need to provide rights to distribute the manuscript. As a side-note, it is important that the language he references is changed to specify that the right to "adapt" the manuscript is not passed on to the Wikimedia Foundation. I'd like to tell him that this requirement does not apply to him since he did not receive substantial support, but on the other hand, he research plan involves contacting a rather large amount of Wikipedians. Thoughts? -Aaron
---------- Forwarded message ---------- From: Michael Tsikerdekis tsikerdekis@gmail.com Date: Mon, Nov 14, 2011 at 2:13 PM Subject: Re: University Email account To: Aaron Halfaker aaron.halfaker@gmail.com
Hey Aaron, first of all thanks for all the support with the project. I started reviewing a couple of things so that i can have everything ready when the time comes. I need your help with a couple of things.
First, i decided to publish the open data under the CC-BY-SA 3.0 licence. I don't believe that there will be anyone that would actually claim the research analysis as there own based on someone else's survey. I do hope though that people might in the future reuse the data and cross-reference it with data from other research surveys. Do you think i should put anything in the data page like "data can be used for publishing in a scientific journal after the author of the survey publishes the results first"? Or does it sound dumb and i am being paranoid? :-)
The second thing is about the reuse rights "The author(s) of the manuscript retains a non-exclusive right to copy, distribute, transmit and adapt their work, and grants WMF a non-exclusive right to do the same" Most journals(if not all) grant an non-exclusive right for the author. I have no idea how to grant the same right to the WMF. I can put WMF as a co-author, but can you put an organization as a co-author? I could send an email to the journal when the time comes but i was wondering if you already know anything about it.
Mike
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While I'm very keen to promote open access to anonymised data I would recommend not publishing the data before getting some results. Otherwise it is just a matter of time before someone gets scooped - and possibly by someone else who would be quite upset to discover they have accidentally scooped the researcher who created the dataset.
WSC
On 15 November 2011 16:18, Ziko van Dijk zvandijk@googlemail.com wrote:
Hello Aaron,
Sounds good what you say.
Kind regards Ziko
2011/11/15 Aaron Halfaker aaron.halfaker@gmail.com:
Below is a message I received from one of the researchers requesting
support
for subject recruitment. I'm forwarding his questions because I think
they
get to the point of some of our discussions about sharing datasets and
the
redistribution of manuscripts produced as a result of a study. I'd like to recommend that Michael withhold his dataset until he feels comfortable publishing it, but I have been advising him that he is
unlikely
to get scooped on the results of a survey he performed. I don't feel comfortable suggesting that he risk the rewards of his work against his
own
judgement. As for the reuse rights. It seems like we have discussed this and
decided
that studies that simply come to RCom for help vetting their proposed research would not need to provide rights to distribute the manuscript.
As
a side-note, it is important that the language he references is changed
to
specify that the right to "adapt" the manuscript is not passed on to the Wikimedia Foundation. I'd like to tell him that this requirement does
not
apply to him since he did not receive substantial support, but on the
other
hand, he research plan involves contacting a rather large amount of Wikipedians. Thoughts? -Aaron
---------- Forwarded message ---------- From: Michael Tsikerdekis tsikerdekis@gmail.com Date: Mon, Nov 14, 2011 at 2:13 PM Subject: Re: University Email account To: Aaron Halfaker aaron.halfaker@gmail.com
Hey Aaron, first of all thanks for all the support with the project. I started reviewing a couple of things so that i can have everything ready when the time comes. I need your help with a couple of things.
First, i decided to publish the open data under the CC-BY-SA 3.0
licence. I
don't believe that there will be anyone that would actually claim the research analysis as there own based on someone else's survey. I do hope though that people might in the future reuse the data and
cross-reference it
with data from other research surveys. Do you think i should put
anything in
the data page like "data can be used for publishing in a scientific
journal
after the author of the survey publishes the results first"? Or does it sound dumb and i am being paranoid? :-)
The second thing is about the reuse rights "The author(s) of the
manuscript
retains a non-exclusive right to copy, distribute, transmit and adapt
their
work, and grants WMF a non-exclusive right to do the same" Most journals(if not all) grant an non-exclusive right for the author. I have no idea how to grant the same right to the WMF. I can put WMF as a co-author, but can you put an organization as a co-author? I could send
an
email to the journal when the time comes but i was wondering if you
already
know anything about it.
Mike
RCom-l mailing list RCom-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/rcom-l
-- Ziko van Dijk The Netherlands http://zikoblog.wordpress.com/
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