Dear Diederik,
well, I didn't find the intention you cite defined anywhere in relation to the work of this RCOM.
On the contrary, previous experiences with reviewing studies here shows that the insight into the studies themselves were of crucial importance in respect to any conclusions drawn.
I am very much confused about the idea to discuss any research project without being able to see the project itself. Pardon me, but I can not imagine a less demanding request on the behalf of anything that calls itself a "Research Committee".
Thank you. Mayo, I hope the link will be provided soon. I am myself into choice experiments and decision making right now, so I will be glad to take a thorough look at the study before posting any comments in relation to the way it was advertised on Wikipedia.
Best regards, Goran
On Wed, Dec 14, 2011 at 1:38 AM, Diederik van Liere dvanliere@gmail.comwrote:
Dear Goran,
It is not the intention of this RCOM meeting to discuss the study itself, the intention is to discuss lessons to be drawn from announcing large scale studies, in particular with in relationship to timing (fundraiser), method of announcement (central notice) and whether we should accept donations in return. Best, Diederik
On Tue, Dec 13, 2011 at 7:35 PM, Goran Milovanovic < goran.s.milovanovic@gmail.com> wrote:
Any chances we are getting a link to the study? I find it completely out of line to discuss a study - or anything in relation to it - without ever being able to see the study itself.
Best,
Goran
On Tue, Dec 13, 2011 at 7:36 PM, Dario Taraborelli < dtaraborelli@wikimedia.org> wrote:
ok just to clarify, I will be meeting this Thursday with a number of people (including non RCom members) to work on the actual changes for the Berkman banner, I don't expect RCom members to be involved unless they wish so.
The purpose of the RCom meeting next week is not to review these changes but to do a post-mortem of the Berkman incident and discuss best practices for subject recruitment requests in general.
Dario
On Dec 13, 2011, at 9:24 AM, c.note.lilly wrote:
Dario,
Is this just for those interested in the discussion about the study? Not the entire RCom? or you still would like to have all of RCom, just not call this an official RCom mtg since there will be outsiders (those against the survey?)
Cheryl *sorry, crazy end of the semester, working on catching up.
On 12/12/11 4:10 PM, Dario Taraborelli wrote:
Here's a link for a doodle poll, please let me know your availability as soon as possible so we can finalize a date for next week. I am planning to close this poll by *Saturday 9am PST*.
http://www.doodle.com/vb5w8ntrftmyp4w3
Thanks Dario
On Dec 12, 2011, at 12:21 PM, Fuster, Mayo wrote:
I find very useful Dario's distinction and agree with the procedural he suggests, Mayo
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My feeling is that we shouldn't be conflating the two issues, as this would be confusing for the community:
- review of Berkman banner and implementation of changes discussed on
the list
http://lists.wikimedia.org/pipermail/foundation-l/2011-December/070765.html
- discussion of future approach towards SR, Omnibus survey etc
(1) needs to take place this week, I have a conference call (date/time still tbc) with the researchers and some community members, if any of you is willing to help with this please let me know off-list and I'll add you to the list of attendees. I don't feel there's a need to host an actual RCom meeting to review the proposed changes (which seem fairly uncontroversial and will be discussed on wiki). I would rather keep this opportunity to discuss (2) and the broader implications of the Berkman incident for the future.
Dario
On Dec 12, 2011, at 11:52 AM, Yaroslav M. Blanter wrote:
On Mon, 12 Dec 2011 13:50:24 -0500, Diederik van Liere
dvanliere@gmail.com dvanliere@gmail.com wrote:
Dear WSC,
I think we need to be very precise about what the Berkman controversy is
about. My understanding is that the use of banners with logo's on
central
notice during the fundraiser and the kickback of donations is at the
heart
of the controversy. It is not about the legitimacy of the research
institutes, nor is it about surveys as a research methodology, or the
actual research questions. As such, I think that we need to discus how
to
to promote research studies but not debate the merits of Wikipedia
research
itself.
I think right now it is mostly about the lack of communication, and this
is what we need to discuss as well. The main objections have been
summarized at two pages on English Wikipedia,
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Administrators%27_noticeboard/Inciden...
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Requests_for_comment/Central_Notices
as well as on the Meta proposal page
http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Research:Dynamics_of_Online_Interactions_and_...
Cheers
Yaroslav
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